2 Bu from Meiji time??

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by mr.roddy, Feb 1, 2025.

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Fake?

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  1. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    Last edited: Feb 1, 2025
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    While it certainly looks consistent with some I have owned in the past, I'm afraid I do not know enough about them to provide a reliable opinion on authenticity (or lack thereof).
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Do you have a photo of the other side? What's the weight?
     
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  5. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    It's glued on, so I don't have. Sorry.
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Here are the two I had previously.

    PCGS XF45
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    PCGS AU55
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    If it is glued to something I would lean towards fake. Is it a pendant?
     
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  8. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    It's glued on some wooden item. I also had a closer look onto the other coins on it.
    The 2 Shu looks fake, too perfect.
    upload_2025-2-1_22-38-5.png
    The 1 Shu looks fake.
    upload_2025-2-1_22-39-16.png
    The round one looks like nothing I've seen before, not a Japanese circulation coin.
    upload_2025-2-1_22-35-11.png
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2025
  9. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    This is my PCGS AU55 Ansei 2 Bu. Looks completely different.
    upload_2025-2-1_22-1-52.jpeg
     
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  10. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    I found some more art of the same guy, and now I believe those are all fake coins.
    upload_2025-2-1_23-18-18.png upload_2025-2-1_23-18-36.png
    upload_2025-2-1_23-19-18.png upload_2025-2-1_23-19-37.png upload_2025-2-1_23-22-19.png upload_2025-2-1_23-23-39.png
     
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  11. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    First Welcome to CT. Thats a neat 2Bu. What's the reverse look like?
     
  13. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    Thanks, but I'm not new to the forum. Was just not very active lately.
    That's the obverse:
    upload_2025-2-1_23-58-49.png

    I love 2 Bu and also 2 Shu a lot.

    Even have a very rare Nanryo 2 Shu Bunsei.
    upload_2025-2-1_23-55-28.png upload_2025-2-1_23-56-25.png

    Written top to bottom, from the right to the left, each
    upload_2025-2-2_0-7-44.png

    upload_2025-2-2_0-8-52.png
     
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Here’s the little guy who’s presently in my collection. Slightly pre-Meiji.

    upload_2025-2-1_22-19-27.jpeg

    upload_2025-2-1_22-21-2.jpeg

    upload_2025-2-1_22-21-24.jpeg

    upload_2025-2-1_22-21-48.jpeg
     
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  16. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    Oh yeah, the Tenpo 2 Shu. One of the really early ones, actually the only golden 2 Shu type. Have one, too.

    In most "countries" across the world, the same is happening again and again over the years. Coin face value is going up, weight and content of precious metal is going down. Clear signals that the country and its politics are coming to an end. Same happened 2000 years ago with Greek, Celtic and Roman coins. You can drastically see this with Roman coins: the mint even plated the coins with gold, so the normal people couldn't see that the rulers are running out of money. The mint was cheating the people telling them they own gold.
    868_mfs2379.jpg
    Later, precious metal was no more used for coins as it became too expensive, the coins of that time look really cheap.
    12518_02701a00_c.jpg
    In 476 AD, the empire collapsed.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2025
  17. mr.roddy

    mr.roddy New Member

    Actually I was wrong. The Tenpo 2 Shu is .298 gold, and there is also a later Man'en 2 Shu from .229 gold which often really looks like silver. Here is mine, more golden-looking than normally.
    2shu gold Ob2~2.jpg 2shu gold Rv2~2.jpg
     
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