1992 d close am

I found this 1992 d close am how much is it worth? I know its not much to look at :crying:

 

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Nice find! Maybe $1000?

 

Can you post closer pictures of the AM and the designers initials FG? If this is really a 1992D CAM it's worth a lot more than $1000. AFAIK, there's only 3 known to exist, it's the number one coin on the rarity scale for WAM's and CAM's. I suggest you contact Chuck at coppercoins.com for verification.

 

Just inside the rim of the Obverse appears a little fishy but it could just be the corrosion! If the coin is not an altered 1992-D Obverse fitted into a post-1992 Reverse, then it is definitely worth some bucks! First off, the coin needs to be sent to NCS for conservation, then sent over to NGC for grading and certification. If the coin is not conserved quickly to stop the corrosion from eating into the Copper plating and contaminating the Zinc core, then the value of the coin will drop very quickly due to the degradation!


Frank

 

Keep us apprised Mareesey once you find out if it's authentic or not! :hail:

I put every 1992-D cent I find in circulation aside until I can look at it closer just for this close AM variety. Maybe I'll find one one day...

 

This is the best shot I have I have a dslr rebel but it does no good without a macro lens lol.

 

Mareesy,

There is no question as to whether the Reverse is a "Close AM" or not because it is! The question is, whether the coin has been altered as in my previous posting! Check just inside the Obverse rim to see if a 1992-D Cent Obverse was cut down and inserted into a lathed out Reverse of a post-1992 Cent. If it is, then there will be a very thin crack or crevice showing ever so slight all the way around, just inside the rim of the Obverse! If you can't make the determination, then it would be best to send the coin off to NCS for conservation and then NGC for grading and certification. They will quickly determine if the coin is authentic or altered and you will know in short order!

I hope you can post some pictures of the coin, just inside the Obverse rim, so that we can have a look-see!


Frank

P.S. If the corrosion makes it difficult to impossible to tell if there is a crack or crevice, just inside the Obverse rim, then there is another test you could try! Since the two pieces of an altered coin must be glued or somehow soldered together, this technique will alter the tone or ring of the coin when dropped onto a hard surface such as a hard wood table. You can take your' coin and another 1992-D Cent and compare the tone or ring when dropped onto the hard surface. Although this method is not perfect, it is usually effective as the tone or ring of the two coins will be noticeably different!

 

Definately a WAM reverse!

huntsman is 100% on top of this....LISTEN TO HIM. It's worth spending the money and time with NCS if this is genuine. These are the rarest of all the Memorial cents and, no matter the condition, it would be worth BIG money if genuine.

 

See if it appears to be a rotated die. often if it is two pieces, they are not put together with proper orientation in mind.

There is an outside chance that if the coin is properly oriented that it could have been manufactured by someone who understands what they did.

It could be legit but I am not convinced that I like the look of the coin either.

And.. I lean toward the reverse being added to an obverse shell that would put a seam just to the inside of the rim on the reverse.

There appears to be something seam-like around the rim at the word CENT Also, the entire rim appears to be a little rounded over and that would be a way to keep two pieces together. Then too, It looks like a seam at the rim between the words ONE and UNITED.

Finally, the reverse almost seems to be set too deep, like there is metal that is missing from inside the middle of the coin.



Thanks,
Bill

 

OK, I've asked this a couple times with no response. I know it wasn't a slight, but probably just got lost in the mix. What years should be close and which should be far. I looked it up and thought that the 1998-2000 ones are close and there are a few wide ones that we are looking for. but this is an earlier date and a close one.

Can someone please help my confusion (or point me to a better website than what I found to explain it to me).

thanks!!!

Bob

 

SHOOT! I'm looking through my change now... I had no idea these were worth so much...

 

Bob,

The following are the years for the standard production of "Wide AM" and "Close AM" Cents followed by the Varieties (Known and Unknown)!

------ Business Strikes ------
Wide AM Reverse - All Lincoln Memorial Cents -1959 through 1992.

Close AM Reverse - All Lincoln Memorial Cents 1993 through Present.

Wide AM "Proof Reverse" Variety Cents - 1998-P, 1999-P and 2000-P but it is theorized that Dates either side of the known Dates may exist. A supposed 1996-P "Wide AM" Cent was supposedly discovered, then it was supposedly stolen, so it's authenticity is still up in the air!

Close AM "Business Strike Reverse" Cents - 1992-P and 1992-D.


------ Proof Cents ------
Wide AM Reverse - 1994-s through Present (see notation below).

Close AM "Business Strike Reverse" Variety Cents - 1998-S and 1999-S but again it is theorized that Dates either side of these known Dates may exist.

Note: the 1992-S Proof Lincoln Cents have been found with both the "Wide AM" and the "Close AM" Reverses but neither are considered to be Varieties (has someting to do with transitional B.S.). All of the 1992-S Proof Cents that I own, have owned and/or have seen, have had the "Close AM" Reverse.


I hope that I got the information correct! This is the second time I have typed it up since I lost all of the info the first time around.


Frank

 

Bill,

I grant you that the Reverse does have some areas that are suspect! However, IMHO there are more areas on the Obverse than the Reverse that are suspect. At the same time, I can see a lot of areas where the possibility of a seam cannot be seen but normally would. Therefore, I am going to give the OP's coins, the benefit of doubt! I hope that the OP will send the coin in for conservation, certification and grading and report back to us when an answer is given or the coin is returned.


Frank

 

huntsman.

Thank you, thank you, for that succinct explanation. What I didn't know was that there was an error on the front end as well, hence my confusion. This clears it up.

 

Oh definately where do I send it for conservation? Any help on that would be greatly appriciated.

 

Mareesey,

You can have a Coin Dealer send the coin or you can get a Membership to NGC and send the coin in yourself! However, if you are a Seller on eBay, then I think that you can submit directly to NGC through eBay itself without paying for the Membership. First off, you need to submit the coin to NCS which is the Conservation Division of the Companies owned by the same folks that own NGC. Send it to NCS for conservation with specific instructions for them to send the coin to NGC for certification (which is pretty much authentication), grading and attribution (notation of the specific Variety...i.e. 1992-D "Close AM" Lincoln Cent) if it can cross-over to a NGC slab. Otherwise, NCS will conserve, certify, grade and attribute the coin! When you fill out and submit the Submission Form and the coin, make sure that you notate on the form that you want all of these above services. I am not sure of the total costs but it could be over $200 but it would be a good investment, if in fact the coin is a genuine 1992-D "Close AM" Lincoln Cent!
Before you decide to send it off, check the coin out (or have it checked out by a Coin Dealer) with a Coin Microscope to insure that there are no seams just inside the Obverse or Reverse rims or no seam on the edge of the coin (i.e. where a half of a 1992-D Cent Obverse and a half of a post-1992 Cent Reverse where glued or soldered together. If you feel comfortable that there are no seams and it is genuine, then I would advise to submit it but the decision should be yours to make!


Frank

 

Hi Huntsman,

I agree that it needs an in hand look by someone who knows what he/she is doing. I am just never quick to spend someone else's money with respect to a slabber.

I am not against a TPG looking at a coin like this but I've seen too many incorrect designations on errors and die varieties by companies that are supposed to know what they are doing. It costs money for a NO also. Could be worth it but it could be a waste. A good error / die variety person should see the coin before it costs the OP money for nothing.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Auction going on now...
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I hope he sent it in already. The suspense is getting to me. I check on this thread almost every day.

 

Shows you all too well.....DO NOT CLEAN THE COIN! :desk: