1984-P dime possible dropped letter

Found this just now and thought I'd get a pic up right away. The problem I have with calling it a 'dropped letter' is that I can't seem to identify where it would have come from on this coin. There are 2 suspect areas. The strongest links the top olive leaves through the field to the flame of the torch. The less strong area is in the field of the NE, a straight, interrupted line going SE. It connects the tip of the torch flame under the O in "OF" and along the top fringes of the topmost oak leaves. When I say straight, interrupted line think of seeing Morse Code written on paper. Anyone care to share thoughts and opinions? Thanks for looking.

 

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One of the obverse...

I 'dislike' the 5 pic limit.

 

I don't see a dropped letter. You may be looking at clash marks.

 

Hi there old friend
What you have here looks to be raised on the coin,a dropprd letter or any part of a coins design is always sunken into the coin.I let a nice one skip by me today and let it get away. a dropped design or letter coin is so rare not many folks knows what they are. I think what you have here is a small die chip where the die got chipped and when it strikes a coin the missing area gets filled in. this also may be a die clash. the dime dies are bad about getting clashed. if this is what you have that would be from Roosevelts chin area.usually a die clash on a dime shows best in this area and down to the left and right side of the bottom of the torch where the branches are. this does look like a die clash after another peek but I can not figure out why it is only visible in this one area.

 

ok. you see them too then. They really do look like parts of letters in hand. But yes, it's all raised rascal.

 

Hi there Hobo , we were posting at the same time.

 

does such a thing carry a premium? tried unsuccessfully to find one in ebay completed listings.... anyway, it's found a new home with me. anyone else save clashed dies and are they considered an error?

 

Not really. If anything it is more of a variety rather than an error. A clashed die can produce thousands of coins with the same clash marks.

 

yes clashed die coins do have a little value. the older ones are worth more. I'm sure it has more clash marks that shown in the photo because a camera will not show everything. your coin should be worth around 8.00 I keep everyone I find if they are very visible. I would call a clashed die a variety because it is something that was added to the die by the die clash. everyone's opinion is usually different on this.

 

Hobo where's our other friends tonight?

 

Ya got me. Maybe we didn't get invited to the Coin Talk Christmas Party.

 

If anything, the ultra modern coins are the ones that may get a boost from a run-of-the mill clash mark. With older coins the standards were much less tight, and several different errors are actually relatively common on older coins, clashed dies included. I mean, the clashing itself may happen just as much, but the clashed dies are discovered and replaced quicker in modern times, leading to fewer coin examples to be found.

As for this coin, I completely agree with clashed dies. The evidence to the right of the torch lines up with the bottom of the truncation of the bust on the opposite side.

 

ok thanks for the input guys! now I'm back to those rolls...

 

You may be right. here's the clashed die coin I like the best from all I have ever seen and it is about impossible to find.

 

Here's what coins from the same die looked like after the clash was ground and polished off. imagine that

 

Are you sure they're from the same die?

On the first one it looks like the features are in relief. It may just be the effect from photography, but if they are then it wouldn't be a clash.

The one in the top pic looks like either a filled die or a bad die variety. I'm not sure if the US mints actually repair dies versus just replacing them (anyone out there know?) but if the imperfections were ground and polished, you can expect to see die polish lines struck onto the coin. You may not see them with the naked eye on ultra modern coins like this, but under 200x magnification you usually will.
Well, until the die gets to the later states of its life at least.

 

the clash marks are in relief , being in relief or inverted don't tell us if it is a die clash or not. it all depends on what part of a design clashes together on the coin dies. yes it has been confirmed that these two different varietys were made from the same dies. these are the ULTRA detached leg bison coins because so much design had to be removed to remove the heavy clash marks.

 

In that case it would have to be a coin-against-die clash, and that's not likely unless the coins being struck are as hard as the metal the dies are made from. Also the elements would have to correspond to something on the opposite side.

A normal die clash in relief is only physically possible on coins that are struck incuse, such as the $2.50 and $5 gold Indians.

 

With all the improvements in the engraving and actual stamping process, any modern coin with an error of any type may gain value at some point. Eventually someone will want it. I hang on to all error coins. Even minor ones like a 2010 Glacier NP "strikethrough", Your initial investment is very little, and they do have conversation value if nothing else. I would put it in a flip, label what I believe the error to be and stick it in a separate binder. I have found that even people not interested in coins like to see those that are "messed up" by the mint.

As stated, they are fun to collect and the cost is minimal when you get them from circulation. There's not much you can get for a dime anyway. lol

Nice find !


gary

 

This is a misaligned clash. Notice how it breaks the normal rule and shows on the E in ONE.