1972-D Kennedy DDO? Need help identifying

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Looks like it is a DDO, but I'm not sure if you're asking for a specific type/variety to be identified.

 

Yes I believe it's a DDO too, I guess I should have said 'attributing' rather than identifying.

 

http://varietyvista.com/Variety Master Listings/kennedy doubled dies 1971-1994.htm#_1972-D

Oddly enough, I think the coin exhibits both a doubled die and machine doubling.

 

It is not a doubled die. Where does anyone see doubling? I see die deterioration. and wear. If you don't know a lot about doubled dies I think it is irresponsible to tell someone they have one. The OP might think he has something valuable when all he has is fifty cents. Here is Wexler's list, nothing for 1972.
http://doubleddie.com/919455.html

 

Can you take a closer picture of the last T in Trust, looks like there may be some splitting of the serifs at the bottom or it could just be the photo. But a closer look certainly wouldn't hurt. Although I do see some doubling from die deterioration the bottoms of the first T and the following R in 'Trust' appear to have some interesting separation but again better photos are needed.

Also just because a date may not be listed somewhere doesn't mean a double die won't exist for that date and some of these Kennedy doubled dies are very mild with nothing more than a few weakly split serifs to identify them.

 

You are talking about a coin minted 44 years ago. With millions of roll searchers ALL of the doubled dies have been found and listed. If someone truly finds a new one I will be very happy for them. The OP's coin is not one. Just because there is a hit on one serif that looks vaugely like a split?

 

Hits on all "T R E W" seem unlikely. Now, that said, I didn't see the last photo until just now. I agree, not a DDO. It may have been a result of poor magnification coupled with a very close light source casting odd shadows.

 

I'm sorry proclaiming all the double dies have been found and listed is an ignorant statement. The guy who discovered a 1919 mercury dime DDO and a pretty dramatic one 90+ years after minting is a testament to that. I simply asked for better pictures because those points looked interesting to me and I wanted a better look. Not every DD is a dramatic one and I never stated his coin was one only that those points looked interesting to me and I wanted a better look.

 

It's not a doubled die. I said if someone finds one I would be happy for them.
Your comparison to the dime is a valid one except the dime is a ddo and this is wear. Of course there is the outside, one in a million chance someone will find a new die for a 44 year old coin. A lot if not most new members think they have something special. It's not nice when you get smacked down but the truth is the truth.

 

Please look at the "TR" before the lecture about "irresponsibility." Just because no one has found a "Micro" DDO such as this before means nothing. Ever hear of the 1916 DDO 5c or the 1919 10c. This coin looks to have two types of doubling. IMHO, one is just "Machine."

[QUOTE="tomfiggy,

NOTE: This coin needs to be photographed using florescent light so the glare is gone. One thing I've learned in this hobby. It is hard to ID/grade/authenticate many coins from a photo. ALSO, anything can happen at the Mint and I'll guarantee we are NEVER going to find all the micro DD coins. One was just discovered in the Park Quarters.

 

My opinion only. Send it in. I see damage. I'm not an expert but I have searched 250,000 cents and found 16 ddo's and thousands of MD. I see flow lines and MD on TR.

 

Now that is an open mind and I respect that.

I'll bet more roll searches check cent rolls rather that half dollars. Nevertheless, IMO this amount of doubling (if it is a micro DDO) is only interesting.

 

I can't afford to search anything but pennies. I'm the cheapskate who plays nickel machines in Reno. Lol
I can afford to take a 10% hit returning boxes of cents to coinstar. Not wirth halves though

 

I haven't commented on this thread specifically because I can't tell one way or another from these photos. @tomfiggy also suggested that the coin be sent in for grading & attribution, and that doesn't always work either.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a few 1966 Kennedy SMS DDO's to NGC, and they declined to attribute the FS-102 because, in their opinion, it was too minor even though it was listed in the CPG.

Chris

 

At least we have a lively discussion. Lol

 

I see it too, Tom... these guys aren't off their rockers on this one. However, it is my understanding that there is master doubling present on certain dates. If this is a doubled die or master though, I do not know.... but it is "something".

Perhaps @atrox001 can be of some assistance?

 

The last time I was in Reno, I hit "Wild Taxi" (a nickel machine) in Circus Circus for more than $1,000 after just a couple of plays. Yes, it was a multi-line video and I was playing the MAX Bet.........WILD - WILD - 2X WILD - WILD - WILD.

Chris

 

Ten years is ANCIENT HISTORY in the coin business! As I understand it, at the beginning of NGC's (and possibly also PCGS) attribution service (over ten years ago), only one researcher was doing the work. Unless a submitter asked for variety service plenty of naked eye major varieties were passed as normal coins. If the submitter did ask for attribution and that researcher deemed it "not worthy" in his opinion, nothing was done. In their defense his reasoning was this: If we holder a 1972 DDO #10965 in our slab some ignorant collector is going to think it has the same value as DDO-001! Furthermore, many people cannot differentiate many CONECA varieties w/o photos.

More ancient history along the same lines: At one major show (years before they did it) two of us tried to get NGC to authenticate tokens as PCI, and ANACS had been doing for years.
The reply, and give NGC owners credit for this, is they were not going to do tokens or medals until they had competent authenticators in the field + a library on those coins in place.

Thankfully, the two major services have caught up with ICG and ANACS with regard to variety attribution.

 

That may be, but at the time, NGC was using the CPG for their attributions, and when I submitted them, I listed the FS-102 in the "Comments" on the submission form. When I got the coins back without the attribution, I contacted Scott Schechter and re-submitted them (per his instructions) for his review. The explanation I mentioned earlier (too minor) was the reason I was given.

Chris