1972 cud? MD?

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  1. dlp_dlp21

    dlp_dlp21 always and forever

    Didn't see it cuds on coins site
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  3. Im new new but i have about 25 1972's. It looks like a Doubled Die to me. Theres like 18 think for that year. 1-9 being the "best" ones.... 100% a DDO. Nice .

    Check out "wexlers die verities.com" double die listing....
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    It's called a rim cud .
    It's also the MDO and not a true doubled die .
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Wrong
     
  6. are master die & machine doubling

    Please enlighten those who make these simple mistakes by using 72 penny as an example of what is being cunfused with " true dd's". Please and thank you
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It is explained in the same Wexler website you use
    http://doubleddie.com/144801.html

    Rick and I have been using this information for many years.
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    @Victor Vazquez
    Ok fine.. you are entitled to you own opinion.. I will not bother you with more responses. Un dia tu vas aprender y entender major.
     
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  10. There are several DD'S for this year. Today you sir and your buddy are WRONG
     
  11. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    OK fine.. like I said. You are entitled to your opinion

    right? @Rick Stachowski :facepalm:

    Adios amigo
     
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  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    No.
    His buddy are right .


    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  13. Not cool giving wrong and misleading advice.
     
  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    He'll learn what a MDO looks like ..
     
  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Then stop giving bad info ...
     
  16. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Not cool not to be willing to learn o_O
     
  17. That would be die deterioration. Correct in the photos just posted?
     
  18. The same wexler has the coin in his dd listing!!!! Pivot doubling not considered true doubling?
     
  19. 1972 ddo-FS 101 is the well-known of the verity.... DDO FS-104 is the most scarce and the most rare dd of the 1972 lmc also extremely valuable in the right grade.
     
  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    No .
    The images & info is on the MDO ..
     
  21. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    I personally would listen to them both. I think they have quite a reputation for being correct with all of their many years of knowledge. Now you say to me, well anyone can be wrong and yes, you would be right. BUT. Whenever I was stubborn in the beginning, they would take the time to explain and show everything to me with photos and guess what. They were right. Learn, Learn and Learn. Those 3 words will never lead you astray!
     
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