1970 S Penny. Small or Large Date?

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  1. Wheatmaster101

    Wheatmaster101 U.S. Cent Collector

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    I will be able to reply to your thought later at 4. Thanks for your help everyone!
     
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  3. ldhair

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  4. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

  5. Thorpeuser

    Thorpeuser Long time collector

    Small. 7 is in line with others. Also S mint mark is lower, not tight to the date like in the Large.
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    looks large to me
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I don't collect Lincoln cents, but how can you use the position of the mintmark as a diagnostic when it was placed on the die by hand until 1990 or so?

    Chris
     
  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Large date....next time post a close up of the date.
     
  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Because it just happens to be true that no "high or tight S" small dates are known. It is the rarer piece, and not all that many dies were involved. Spirityoda's diagnostic is key, the one in post #3. That plus, on nearly every small date 1970-S, the word "LIBERTY" is soft as heck, especially on top of the word. Makes my NGC MS66RD pieces look real purdy.
     
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  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    How many obverse dies were used for each variety?

    Chris
     
  11. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    That I do not know. What I do know is that the ratio of large to small based on dies is even larger than the ratio of the coins. The small date dies were beaten to death. Perhaps they didn't break at the large date rate. All of MY small dates seem to be from the same obverse die, but I've looked at coins that seem to indicate at least one other one. I'm still looking, because only one or two doesn't smell right to me.

    I found four small dates in one 1970-S roll, all from one die, and among the 46 large dates in the roll, there were at least 8-10 identifiable dies present. Strange story on this coin.
     
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  12. Thorpeuser

    Thorpeuser Long time collector

    According to The Official Blue Book of United States Coins the key is where the 7 sits in relation to the other numbers. On A small date, the numbers align at the top. On a large date, the 7 is low in the date as indicated in post #3. A small date is worth 100 times more than a large date. So best to a bit more research so you can decide what it is you have.
     
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    He has a large date, zero doubt. The 70-S cent is one of my more specialized interests.
     
  14. Thorpeuser

    Thorpeuser Long time collector

    You a right based on what I can see on the photo which is not the best. It looks from the photo that the 7 sits low and LIBERTY appears to be strong which indicates it is not the small date variety. A better close up that is in focus of the date and also the LIBERTY would have helped. I was only saying that he has the coin and he is in a better position to determine what he has, not us from a fuzzy photo.
    Hopefully we can stop posting to this thread. Pease out.
     
  15. Wheatmaster101

    Wheatmaster101 U.S. Cent Collector

    Sorry that I don't have high-tech photo equipment... I feel like I did as well as I could to give you a good chance of judgement.

    Your picture taking skills aren't a real prize either, taking from your profile pic. Tip, don't criticize if you aren't any better at something than the person you are criticizing. Pease out ;).
     
  16. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I believe the photograph was at least good enough for its intended use, and that's all I ever ask of photos. I know that CT has a strong vein of "photographic coin porn" in its history. I'm not a fan of it, personally. That's the business of auction catalog printers.
     
  17. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    The photo is fine as it is. Definitely a large date.
     
  18. Jjpe

    Jjpe Well-Known Member

    Good information people. let me ask you something, so no other 1970 cents whether d or Philadelphia aren't worth squat just the 70s?
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The small date was only found on the S mint cents. There are plenty of other variety's for the P and D.
     
  20. MIMI VEE

    MIMI VEE New Member

    Just a simple question: which is the more coveted one....large or small date?
     
  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Small date is more valuable.
     
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