1970 D Type "M" Reverse Quarter New Purchase

I have been looking for these Type "M" reverse quarters ever since
reading about them a while back. A description of them was written
by proofartoncircs. Thank You proofartoncircs
To date I have only found two. A 1969 D and one today
a 1970 D. I thought I would share it with the group.
And the hunt continues

Terry

 

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OK...I give up. What are we looking for? I'm familiar with Type-A/B/C, but not Type-M.

 

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Can someone please post a Type C reverse and a Type M reverse side-by-side and point out the difference? Thanks! TC

 

All I can think about is the "Men in Black" movie...when Michael Jackson wanted to be "Agent-M".

 

There's also M from the modern James Bond films, Dame Dench has filled that role.

There's also Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder and Fritz Lang's classic M.

 

I have not memorized all of the diagnostics for the Type "M" reverse.
Here are the ones that let me know I have found one.
There is no barb on the back of the arrow head on the top arrorw of the bundle.
The far left leaf in front of the arrow tips looks doubled.
The bottom side of the wings running in an arch from the center of the wing
to the Eagles body is VERY WELL DEFINED and raised off of the field
of the coin compared to all other quarters. Hopefully Proofatoncircs
will chime in on this one with more diagnostics He is the one I learned about them from.

Link to another thread with more discussion of the Type "M" reverse

http://www.cointalk.com/t113737/

I Hope this helps.

Terry

 

Thanks Terry. That was helpful. TC

 

No problem TC,
I find these quarter varieties very fascinating.
Ever since I first read about their existence.
I always wonder why when running across a variety like this that
is so clearly something very out of the ordinary that it is not
listed in something like the Red Book or the Cherry Pickers guide
Then again I imagine it is all part of the learning curve
of Numismatics. Some smaller ones get in and some larger
ones get left out. Always Learning

Terry

 

Interesting...no mention in Breen's, either. I've been looking for early '70s Denver Type-B reverses for some time, but I've come up empty. I don't recall seeing any Type-Ms...but I wasn't looking for them.

I've seen quite a number of deteriorated dies, machine doubling, gouges, cracks...but nothing that stood out as (what I would consider) a die variety. I'll have to go back over my "hoard" once I develop a clearer idea of what I'm looking for.

Thanks for sharing!

 

yakpoo,

This may help. It is a thread by proofartoncircs about the different varieties.
This is what let me know they even existed. Once I read about it
I found the variety very fascinating. It was just one of those varieties that
talked to me. I think you have some idea what I mean.
He is the same collector who discovered the 1972 Type 2 Eisenhower Dollar reverse die variety. He is very knowledgeable in the area of proof dies
being used on circulation strike coins. I find this area very cool.

Link to thread on another forum>:http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=627990&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1970

Hope this helps some

Terry

 

That's a big help...thanks! The arrow barb (or lack of one) and the length of the "LL" leaf should be dead give-aways. I think I would have noticed that if I came across one. I didn't check my Mint sets.

In the CU pictures, the top and bottom are the Type-M's and the middled two are Type-C's...right?

Edit: I read a bit further and see where you describe the pictures. The third one certainly looks to be a Type-B! The first I've seen of that year!

 

I Was looking around the net tonight and found a Handout published by
James Wiles concerning the Reverse Die Varieties of the Washington Quarters.
The Type "M" reverse is CONECA RDV-007. The Handout was published in
2003 and has some very good photos and descriptions in it of the
different reverse die varieties. It is a PDF file and takes a little time to load
up.

LINK> http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/QuarterRDVHandout.pdf

"In the CU pictures, the top and bottom are the Type-M's and the middled two are Type-C's...right?"

I know the top is an "M" and the third is a "B" still getting my head wrapped around the rest of them.

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Hope it is helpful

Terry

 

WOW! The first Mint set I checked has a Type-M reverse. :hail:

Thanks! I never knew about these before. jaceravone will be interested in all your information...he loves collecting Washington Quarter die varieties, too.

 

Direct copy of a portion of a thread from publisher proofartoncircs.
on findings on availability of Type "M" reverses.

"Type M (for modified) was created from a ordinary circulation strike hub by considerable touching up. It was used for the majority of 1968 S strikes. It also showed up on a minority 1969 D, 1970 D and 1970 plain and on a majority of the D mint quarters in the 1970 Mint Set."

proofartoncircs, If I am over stepping my bounds PLEASE let me know. It will removed immediately.

Thank You

Terry

 

Now if you can get Cherrypickers' to attribute it, then the TPGs might attribute it.

 

That would be great:hail:

Terry

 

Terry,

I am honored and flattered by being quoted by you. I am glad to see the knowledge of clad quarter varieties advanced.

The fourth picture in my CU thread on 1970 D quarters is a class III doubled hub involving a type M hub and a business strike version hub.

I think Breen might have include type M's in his book, only if I had gotten the information to him earlier. The book was not published yet, but he had assigned the variety numbers.

Terry, can you post an M and a business strike side by side to meet popular demand here.?

 

proofartoncircs,

I took some quick shots and if they are I will try to put some side by sides together tomorrow. The only ones I have gotten committed to memory
are the Type "M" and the Type "B" reverse.

Would I be correct that the pictures below are of a regular
Business Strike Reverse?

 

Yes, that is a regular business strike.

Fortunately there is only one ordinary business strike for 1970.
That is unless I count type M as a business strike. Maybe I should since it was no longer used for proofs and evidently the mint was trying to use up its stock of type M style hubs and dies.