Im pretty sure I found my doubled die ... It's a 1969-S look... what do you think about it? I've had lots that looked like it to me..but I never had one that looked like this..im pretty dang sure this is the true thing.. Im going to put it on ebay tomorrow... so if it's not one somebody tell me.. and if it is, anyone have an ideal as to what it's worth? also I have 2 with??? maybe filled numbers? the 9 in each looks odd, what would these be called? the 71 and the 60? Thanks to Everyone that looks... :smile
Sorry chocho but it looks like you found another example of machine doubling. The actual ddo for 1969 looks like this As far as the other two they are simply shmootz that fell on the planchet during minting. No real extra value. Keep looking chocho, there are still good coins to be found. Michael
Thanks Michael.. That sure is a nice dd.. And your right mine don't look like that.. But the Liberty does. It looks just like that. You wrote that "The actual ddo for 1969 looks like the coin you showed me, Can't there be a another doubled die, one just a little different, where just part is doubled? Look close.. it sure looks right to me.. the Liberty I mean. Thanks again for looking... but I sure hope that...this time your wrong..
Even the LIBERTY is quite different. On your coin the letters have been "pushed" to the top, above the underlying legend. On the DDO the second set of letters were impressed into the die towards the bottom of the underlying legend. But the main difference on the DDO is there are 2 distinct legends one on top of the other. On your coin only the top half of a single impression has pushed to one side. It's kind of like the legend was split with a knife depth wise and top half of it was slid upwards. That's what happens with mechanical doubling.
As to my opinion I think a doubled coin is a double coin and I like that one just fine. Note there are numerous varieties of the 72 double so why not all the rest. Yours is just fine. Sure wish I found that one. I'd be happy with it as it is. I'd bet at a coin show that one would be right there listed as a Double Die coin and how it happened would not be on the 2x2 in the dealers case. I've seen at lest 4 or 5 slightly different 55DD's now so why not yours too.
The '55 DDO is a good choice for a comparison Carl since it's one of the most well known. They've given a name to the mechanically doubled version - it's called the Poor Man's version. There's no getting around it, even coins with mechanical doubling make neat collectibles for those who are attracted to such things and I in no way mean to belittle the coins. But the fact remains there is a very distinct and obvious difference about mechanically doubled coins and doubled die coin. A doubled die coin is created because of a misalligned double impression in the coin die itself. And because these doubled impressions don't happen very often and the resulting coins are few in number in most cases, a greatly increased monetary value is asisgned to these coins by collectors. But mechanically doubled coins are created by a vibration or slight movement of the coin dies as the coins are struck, when they are ejected from the coin press, or from worn out dies. And this type of doubling is as common as dirt so no monetary value is assigned to these coins by collectors.
Doug, The 1955 Poorman's Double Die Cent is not a result of Mechanical Doubling which is sometimes called Strike or Machine Doubling! The general consensus of most Error Experts is that the doubling on the 1955 PMDD Cent is due to Die Deterioration Doubling. I have 44 BU Red specimens of this so called Error Variety and a full roll of 1955-P BU Red Cents with either Die Cracks or Die Clashes or both that I will be auctioning off on eBay fairly soon. Frank
Frank - As often happens when I discuss errors I make mistakes, especially in the terminology. One of these days I may even learn enough to get them right - occasionally. This was a similar example as I, apparently mistakenly, tend to lump die deterioration into the category of mechanical doubling. I think my point still applies though.
I never pimp, just promote! I'm just a plain old redneck here with no suede or silk suits, no platform shoes and no Caddy with whitewall tires. Frank
Hi, This 1969 S is mechanically doubled. The reason a doubled die is valuable is because it is relatively rare. The die was prepared incorrectly. Most mechanically doubled coins ar a result of a planchet being struck by a loose die. There may be a few thousand of a particular doubled die and there are literally billions of mechanically doubled coins out there. This is a big difference. There are , I believe two doubled dies listed for 1969 S cents. One is the one that is worth thousands and the other, I've never seen but is said to be quite minor in comparison. In any case, the one posted here is neither version. Have Fun, Bill
Ok.. Thanks, You All.. I sure thought I had found one.. If This wasn't one, I might a well stop looking, because I sure would have never known.. Gosh.. it's so doubled looking to me.. guess I still have a lot to learn... hya: I listed it... and put poormans double die.. I was reading here and I guess thats a name just for the 55? If so I need to change my listing... I best go do that now... see ya all later..Thanks again everyone for helping me..
It's not even really a good idea to list it. It is a mechanically doubled coin worth about ONE CENT. Its really not fair for someone who doesnt realize that it has no valure to bid on it. Some people will bid on anything doubled but In my humble opinion, listing a mechanically doubled coin in the hopes that someone thinks it's more than it is , is just not a good idea. Thanks, Bill
ok Bill, well I already but it on ebay... but I'll go add that it's it mechanically doubled coin... but still I have to say..it sure is pretty...best I've found. Isn't it true that some collectors look for this kind of doubling... I read in the cherry pickers guide they do... it says they actively pursue them... I understand to you they are nothing/worth just one cent, .. but to someone else it might be worth more, it might be just what they were looking for even if it is mechanically doubled. Is this not true
I believe that some folks collect them because they think they are the more valuable doubled dies and they can't tell the difference. I also believe that some people collect them because they don't have the knowledge about the fact that mechanically doubled coins are created by the billions and have no numismatic value. My personal feeling is that an educated coin collector would not pay a premium for a mechanically doubled coin if he understood the process that created it. Collecting them is easy, almost every piece of pocket change has some form of mechanical doubling on it. Selling coins that are mechanically doubled for anything over face value ,is in my humble opinion like selling a 1964 Kennedy half dollar on TV for $19.95. A price like that preys upon the uneducated collector since you can get one for much less from any reputable dealer. You might want to sell mechanically doubled coins, you may find buyers for mechanically doubled coins. I just feel that the person buying them doesnt understand what they are buying. To me it's just wrong. Also I do not know anyone who understands the minting process who actively pursues, collects or pays a premium for mechanically doubled coins. Bill
You will find some large cent amd bust half collectors who will pay a premium for nice double or triple profile coins caused by mechanical doubling. We know what they are but will still sometimes pay a premium, especially for some of the "1/2" Newcomb numbered pieces that he listed in his book.
