1969 S DDO?

I pulled this one from bank rolls I got months ago, its an impressive one.. Of all hundred plus 1969 S's that Ive collected until now this one stands out over the rest. Enjoy, and please feel free to express your thoughts and opinons.

Note: As a collector (Novice) I have never made confirmation on any coin be it mines or others. I take the advise of others thoughts and opinions too are always considered and its how I make my decision I take everyones thoughts and opinion I "weigh" it againsts all "possobilities" that is on record... Until, all possiblities are relinquesh I would'nt confirm any coin ingenuin out of respect for the HOBBY" JUST MAKING A POINT...

 

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not seeing it....

 

I've seen clearer pictures of Bigfoot.

 

Im sorry i know picture shots are no good but its all i got for now. Im going to order a USB microcope later today it seems this has become a problem. It may be a few days unttil it gets here. Until then your inputs are all appreciated. Thank you.

 

With your current pictures i don't see it either. When you can post better picture.

BR ~ Darryl

 

Is this like the third thread on the same coin?

 

These lower-tier doubled dies are just so hard to identify unless you have sharp pics. I don't think you need a scope. I'd say just work on your focus.

 

1st thread was removed to give the OP a chance to post a thread with a clear topic, which he did a great job of. Now just hope members can give equally thoughtful feedback.

 

Thank you, for understanding... As for the following question it could be three to five days until honestly speaking but in reference to what you've stated about the variety in speaking you absolutely right *wise thinking from what you've said Ive learn to not make this mistake again. Thank you.

 

I don't see the doubling.

Chris

 

The photo you show that seems to be your coin, hazily due to focus, show mechanical doubling, not true hub doubling that was used in 1969. The hub doubling was due to the working die being impressed more than once, unlike 'single squeeze doubling' process used today. The working die had to be removed from the process between the hubbing process to soften the metal a little to impress deep enough. If when replacing the die for the second time, there was some movement, the secondary impression would not be exactly over the original, and when it was not noticed and used to mint coins a double image would result.

Two things would always be obvious, first the combined image would always be a little to a lot wider than a normal one, since one image would be normal and the other partially covered, except for the doubling part.

Secondly since it was pressed with the same force, it would be very close to the height, not one normal and the other a ledge, smear, etc. Below are 2 famous DDO, the 1955 DDO, and a 1972 DDO die 1. Notice how the two impressions blend in with each other because of the same height. Where the '5' and 9 cross over each other. This shows a true hub doubling.
And if you look at the CPG book illustration of the 1969S DDO, you see the same height relationship.



Same for the liberty in the 72, the 'L' and other letters.




Good luck!

 

I'm not convinced that the OP even has DDO-002 since the doubling should be clear on the 96 of the date near the upper end of the digits.

The DDO-001 coin, on the other hand has unmistakable doubling (as in complete separation) on the 1969-S, LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST.









Since none of this is visible on the OP's photo's, one could only conclude that the OP is seeing mechanical doubling which is more common than a non-machine doubled Lincoln for 1969.

Good Effort though!

 

Thanks you what you've suggested deffinitely has weight... I've taken in consideration what you both suggested. I appreciate you guys have given good reasons with clear explanations to why think so its good info! Thank you.

 

Well, after looking at dozens of your postings, working for two hours on trying to focus the camera, get the light right, take the picture and post the pictures into this thread.........I'm convinced I have a (less then poor mans) DD 69s. Sorry if I wasted your time. It was great practice for me.

 

A sincere individual wastes no one's time here.

Your coin displays strike doubling. I'm guessing you know the basics, so just an additional little tip: notice how the date and mintmark are both "doubled", in the same direction and amount? Due to the fact that mintmarks were hand-punched at that time, when this is seen it's almost always indicative of strike doubling (yes, an RPM can exist on a doubled die, but the chances of showing the same spread in the same direction are exceedingly slim).

 

lol these threads are great. There are like 3 people on this site that constantly think they find these miracle coins. Your coin needs to look exactly like a 1969-s DDO. Not somewhat. 100% identical and yours never is.

 

Perhaps I've somehow missed it, but your use of "never", in context, suggests this is a regular occurrence, so may I ask where the gentleman who resurrected this thread (TJ1952) has been making such claims? We both know, regretably well, the OP is a "special" kind of fella certainly deserving of whatever slack he receives, but this fellow seems to be a sincere guy only wishing to learn.

 

Thanks very much for the feedback and additional information. I'm at the "low" end of basic coin knowledge (learning more everyday) but I'm still having fun despite that. I'm just trying to cut thru the clutter and sometime sarcasm (it's hard for me to tell) and get the facts. Many folks have different opinions, which is good I guess. I suppose much of it is subjective or in the eye of the beholder.

You say: (yes, an RPM can exist on a doubled die, but the chances of showing the same spread in the same direction are exceedingly slim) So my 69s is showing the same spread in the same direction, correct? Is a coin like that worth being graded?

 

While it is possible, your coin isn't a doubled die and/or an RPM, but is an example of strike doubling (also called mechanical doubling, MD, etc) and therefore isn't an actual variety. Because of this, no... it's not a submission candidate.

Here is a link you may find informative....

http://doubleddie.com/144801.html

 

Great. Thanks very much for the link and your time on this!