Unless it is my vivid imagination, I think these two Roosevelts have different profiles and lettering. They both came from proof sets. Except for the cameo-like of one and the fully shiny style of the other, there must be something I am missing about the two that would make a difference in their appearance. jeankay
Hey JK, I do the same thing to myself too. I've looked at a string of identical coins( circs., proofs, BU's) and think that I see a difference in what you call profile. But I've come to the conclusion that it's only the wear of the die and the deepness of the image and changes in the details that gives one the idea that the profile is different.
You are probably right in your conclusion (analysis)! However, since this was the first year that Proofs were produced at San Francisco, they may have originally intended to release both Business and Proof Dimes llike they did with the Lincoln Cent but eventually nixed that idea. If this was the case, then it is possible that there could be very subtle differences in the some of the Dies but doubtful! Just a thought! Frank
Jeankay…I think the difference you can see on the bridge of the nose is because of die abrasion, but it does look like there is a difference with the ear lobes. Larry Nienaber
Thanks everyone for checking out these two dimes. According to an NGC article I found on the internet. Basically it says: ...first appearing in 1946... parts of the design were indistinct, including the JS initials. Other modifications are noted during 1964 and 1981... new hubs being introduced frequently (because of wear)... the new hubs appear almost annually, but the changes are so slight as to go unnoticed except by specialists. Further... dimes have been coined at three mints... P, D, SF...(until SF became the assay office). Proof coinage at SF resumed in 1968, and the S minted dimes are true proofs bearing the letter S and were made exclusively for sale to collectors. With all this said, isn't it possible not all of the hubs that formed the dies for the S minted dimes were from the same master die? I find on the two dimes a great difference in the shape of the ear, the shape of the chin and nose, and the hair over the ear is 'trimmed' differently. I have tried for hours today to get better pictures without glare and fuzziness, but so far I have failed. I won't give up... jeankay
jeankay, The answer to your question is yes! The Philadelphia Mint produces quite a few Master Dies per year which are used to make many, many Master Hubs since they have to send Dies to both the San Francisco and Denver Mints. The Master Dies and Master Hubs should be 100% identical but I would bet that is not always the case! I would venture to say that when the Master Dies are produced, some polishing, grinding or other repairs are made when a flaw is found. This would also be the case with the Master Hubs and so on down to the Working Hubs. Also, we should no forget about subtle Design changes that the Mint may approve of to correct premature Die Failures which could also account for differences in Dies and coins minted with them. I should have thought more clearly and included these little tidbits in my previous reply and I am sorry that i did not! I would recommended writing to the San Francisco Mint and Philadelphia Mint to inquire if any design changes to the Dies were made that year to correct premature Die Failures. Frank
I think there's a difference in the two coins zoom in on it .there may be a mistake in the proof set very possible . the detail in the images do look different. I don't no if it could be a shadow ,or an optical allusion . not really sure through. Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:
How about these edited pictures in Sepia tone! There are definitely minute but subtle differences in the details and some of the Lettering. There appears to be differences in the ears, hair and facial features. However, note the position of the "D" in GOD in relation to the "R" in TRUST. On the first (coin) picture, the right edge of the "D" lines up with the right edge of the "R" but on the 2nd (coin) picture, the "D" appears to be almost centered above the "R". Frank
Its hard to make a comparison Jean as the right coin is rotated slightly right an create's an optical allusion,a coin overlay would be the only way to see if there were anything different regards Harry :stooge:
Jean , they look different to me , Iwas thinking maybe one is tilted a little differently , could you take a picture with both coins lying flat and shoot the picture from the top , Thanks . rzage
Hey The Other Frank... Yeh I know... But, I already take several different kind and really don't want to add more. jeankay
Okay everyone. I spent a couple more hours trying to get a good picture and seem to be hitting a wall with my ability, or lack thereof. I really need to get a set up that is portable which will give me the right lighting and the ability to get in close for the macro shot. Maybe I can find something over the weekend. Until then, "THANK YOU EVERYONE" who is interested in this project. You are very much appreciated. jeankay
Hi Frank, Those sepia tones really filter out some of the super shininess. Thank you for doing that. Maybe this weekend I can figure out some way to get the coins staged and photographed so they are straight and can be seen. I appreciate your help on this project. Best, Jeankay
Jeankay, You are welcome! I am more than happy to try to help solve the mystery! I tried to rotate the 1st picture slightly using my Photo software to no avail. However, if someone has WordPerfect or similar software (which I don't have), I think that you can import the image into a text file and in the edit mode (by clicking right or left) on the image, it will bring up a dialog box which will allow you to make changes in the rotation of the image (coin). Once satisfied, you just need to save the file back as a .jpg file and upload it to C.T. .... Frank
