1967 p kennedy ddo?

is this notching?

 

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It's a little blurry for me to be 100% sure, but it doesn't look like it.

Chris

 

I don't see any notching on your half dollar. Here is some notching on a CONECA listed 67 BS DDO-016.

Larry Nienaber

 

I can see the notching, but I'm not sure which one it is. You might try matching some of the markers.

http://varietyvista.com/Variety Master Listings/kennedy doubled dies 1967-1970.htm

 

I have been looking for a site that has pictures for comparison for half dollars ( and other denominations. is that off a site? or did you search for a reference photo?

 

so it is? or is not? I know the pics are not that great :-(

 

The coin is a doubled die. Which one is the question you have to figure out. Without having the coin in hand, that's almost impossible. To my knowledge, there are no sites with photos of Kennedy Varieties. The best you can do is try and pin it down by the descriptions and markers listed on the Coneca site, or send it in to someone like Wexler.

 

ok ty

 

I just photographed this 67 BS DDO-016 from one in my collection to show you an example notching on the base of the letters of TRUST...this is not a reference photo from the net. I believe your 67 would be a very minor doubled die at best...there is nothing there! However, I think it would be a good experience for you to try to attribute your half dollar using the CONECA listings, the descriptions and markers. If you needed another opinion I would send the half dollar to James Wiles at CONECA.



Larry Nienaber

 

ok thanks a bunch.

 

I can't believe you are listing this as a doubled die on Ebay.

Larry Nienaber

 

It might be minor Larry, but it is a doubled die. As long as he's not listing it with a false attribution, then I see no problem with the OP selling it as a doubled die.

 

if it is, then it is. it's not like I am selling machine doubling as a ddo which we ALL have seen. I would never intentionally misrepresent something to make a sale.

 

The problem I am having is I don't think your half dollar is a doubled die. I am wondering why there has only been a couple of opinions to this thread weather or not it is...where is non cents and others.

Larry Nienaber

 

I agree, non cents opinion would probably seal the deal

 

And IF it is not, it's not, so while you may not be intentionally misrepresenting the coin, rushing to list before you are certain puts you in a gray area (IMO). It is not like a very minor unattributed DDO is likely to bring much money, so I see no reason not to have waited until, or unless, you can confirm.

If it is a DDO, it's very minor, but I cannot see enough with the provided photos to say for sure.

 

This coin is a doubled die. That's not an opinion; it's a fact. It's probably listed at Coneca, but I don't have it in hand to identify the markers. It was appropriately listed on Ebay.

 

For what it is worth, here is my two cents on the subject.

I’m not an expert by no means on Kennedy half dollar varieties, maybe a well informed hobbyist at best. If someone wanted an expert opinion on the subject of Kennedy half dollar varieties, I would give two names to contact; the first one is James Wiles himself and the second one is Larry Nienaber (a.k.a. atrox001).

My dad and I have sent several hundred Kennedy half dollars over the years to James Wiles and Larry Nienaber for attributions. Some of the coins Dr. Wiles marked “too minor to list” that we thought were already listed in the files so they were sent to Larry who gave them the once over. Most of the time Larry agreed with Dr. Wiles and I shocked that up to my learning curve but there has been a handful or two of Kennedy half dollars that Larry looked at, recorded the markers for us (even with photos) that we sent back to Dr. Wiles for a second look and Dr. Wiles agreed with Larry’s observations and attributed the varieties accordingly.

Getting to the 1967 Kennedy half dollar that this thread is about: From the pictures presented, I would have to say that it is not a Doubled Die Obverse and I would not even think about wasting my money by sending it in to Wiles (lord knows that I don’t say this lightly for I have had my fair share of “Too minor to list” comments on coins submitted to Wiles over the years).

I feel confident and with a high degree of certainty stating that the coin in the start of this thread is not a variety listed in the CONECA files as a DDO nor would it be listed as such. To imply otherwise is erroneous at best malice at worst.

Most people on this message board do not know me from Adam, that is fine. I base my conclusion on the near decade of studying this one series (Kennedy half dollars). To illustrate how serious I collect Kennedy varieties, below is a link to one of our sets (several of the 1967 DDOs are photographed in the set):

http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=1165

Again, people can do what they want to do but I would suggest that if you have a question on a Kennedy half dollar variety and Larry is willing to comment on it then I would recommend that people listen. I know that James Wiles listens to Larry, you need look no farther they the Kennedy 1970-D DDR-005 which Larry established was only a die state of DDR-002 (you will notice in the CONECA files that the 70-D DDR-005 in now unlisted).

Just my two cents on the subject or maybe fifty cents,
Caleb

 

Caleb,

The minimums that an attributor sets has nothing to do with whether or not a coin is a doubled die. It's simply their own system. I can assure you that several of the Kennedys listed by Coneca are as minor or more minor than this one.

I don't send my coins in to find out if they are a variety or not. I don't need to. I do send discovery pieces in from time to time when I feel like it. Varieties is my field of expertise in the world of numismatics. I spend hours each week searching for them, photographing them, and studying them. I also know Class II doubled dies when I see them even when they are minor. The photos are certainly clear enough for that. This is a doubled die. Like I said, that's a fact. Here's one I just found that's even more minor, but still a doubled die.

Jody

 

I think my opinion would be far from "sealing the deal". There MIGHT be something there. I'm just not sure. I'm not seeing crystal clear notching, but I can't discount that it doesn't have minor notching on the letters. I think the most convincing letter is the top of the U in TRUST, which seems to have some minor notching going on. Once again, I suppose I would lean towards it being a doubled die, but it's quite tough to tell. Take that as you will.