1965 Quarter DDO

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  1. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Please every body. Where I can find more information about DDO quarters? I know copper coins has about cents. Where? about quarters.
     

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  3. just coins

    just coins New Member

    I would say it looks like die deterioration doubling .

    JC
     
  4. andy21us

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  5. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    There are most close views, specially because the shape of the mouth I still thinking that, this is a DDO Quarter. Thank for the information Andy.
     

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  6. just coins

    just coins New Member

    You also have some machine doubling on the new pics you posted.
    JC
     
  7. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    Not a doubled die - they don't look like this at all.

    Not a doubled die - they don't look like this at all.
    Try CONECA, NCADD, or of course Cherry Pickers Guild
     
  9. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Thank Rockdude for your help. That lesson is very clear. But yes, the most experts can come to be confuse some time. And also what they said. "In a single coin can be DDO and Mechanical Doubling at the same time. Thank again.
     
  10. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Don't get 'professionals' as mentioned in the article , mixed up with 'experts'. There's a big difference.
     
  11. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Where did it say that?
     
  12. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    This one is not a doubled die.
    Thanks,
    Bill
     
  13. Digenes

    Digenes Just a collector

    Carlos,
    I have to agree with everyone else, it is just Machine Doubling.


    Dave
     
  14. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Rockdude; if MDD (Mechanical Doubling Damage), and DDO (Double Die Oberse) o DDR (Double Die Reverse) ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, It's logic that they can be at the same time on the face of a coin.
     
  15. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    That may be so, but I asked where in the article did it say that?
     
  16. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    A coin that is a doubled die, struck like every other coin but with a die that has multiple images can indeed also exhibit machine doubling, die deterioration doubling and some other forms of doubling as well.

    Still, this coin , the 1965 Quarter, shows no evidence of die doubling.

    And...those of us who have studied these know the difference. What happens is that most newer collectors see something doubled and jump to the conclusion that it must be a coin struck by a doubled die. "Professionals" does not include all coin dealers. Carlos is right in that many of the average coin dealers out there are confused by these things but there are many of us that have spent years learning the differences and what they look like.



    Thanks,
    Bill
     
  17. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    If you all only knew, first what's the right phrase!

    If you all only knew how many dealers I have given lesions to about true doublED dies - the first thing in a listing is to see if they even know the correct terminology - "doublED versus double die" - no die variety specialist uses the term "double" die they use the correct phrase doublED die. They do this for two reasons, first because it's correct, second because they understand why it is correct. Most new person thinks a double die is the doubling of anything on the coin, heck there was even one on eBay yesterday using double die in describing a slight doubled image on a piece of paper money - they like most people think doubling means doubling - it does not.
    Look, we that consider ourselves die variety specialists study the hound out of this stuff - I personally have looked at 35,000 circulated cents since this time last week and only found a handful of minor DDO's and DDR's - but I did find hundreds of mechanically doubled coins, 9 out of 10 I throw back in the back to bank bag - the rest I try to use as examples to help show the difference at my coin show.
    Those folks on here that keep questioning our authority need to know we take this study seriously and know what we are talking about. As I have stated on here many times, doubling does not a doublED die make. If it did they would not even be uncommon at all. But they are and when you know you know and when you start using the only correct phrase "doublED die" and know why it's the only correct phrase you are on your way to learning what we know. And yes I am the guy that calls people each and every day on eBay when I see misleading die varieties and it is clear that they don't even know what they are talking about with a common machined doubled coin - love me hate me I'm the one. I always try to help anyone who wants to learn and have made many friends but some hate me - it does not keep me awake at night though because my motives are only to help new persons from getting a piece of junk. I can't count the times people bring me coins at the show and I have to tell them it's a mechanically doubled coin worth nothing and to see the enthusiasm go out of their eyes - well it's sad and it won't happen if I can do anything about it and no, I am not the authority of all things but I do know doublED dies, I do study them for hours each day and I do stand by the knowledge I have earned.
     
  18. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Thank every body for your help; I'll start collecting DoubleD Die Machining, they're very expressive any way.
     
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