View attachment 265950 Ok if this isn't a DDR ... I'm just not getting it . The lettering is flat but there is distinct separation on corners
It is mechanical doubling. Notice the flat and shelf-like appearance. A doubled die will have notching at the corners of the letters...this one does not. Keep up the hunt!
Keep in mind, that the appearance of "shifting" is not separation. Take a look at 1964 DDR001. Look particularly at the 2nd photo. That's separation. See it on the bottom of the second S in STATES? Also see how you can see it on EPU? http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1964&die_id=1964p1dr001&die_state=lds MD can be very tricky, and just when you think you've got a handle on it, a coin will come along with extreme MD and throw you for a loop. Don't give up. We all had to go through that frustration.
Here's another one. This is a class 2 doubled die. Class 2s are fairly common on the reverses of Memorial cents from the early to mid sixties. They're sometimes hard to distinguish from MD because often the doubling is subtle. Notice though the distinct notching on the letters. http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1964&die_id=1964p1dr008&die_state=mds
Shy- I know it's not as fun as finding them yourself, but if you want a couple of examples of doubled dies, pm me and I'll be happy to send them to you. Having them in hand to study and compare to MD examples can make it much easier to see the difference compared to just looking at photos online.
i took the time to go to coppercoins and copy every picture of the doubled dies and made a folder on my laptop to use as an easier reference. this is the 1972 p ddo 002. you see how it looks like it was only struck once? doesn't have a double struck or shelf like look and you can see the nothching non cents is talking about. hope this helps a little
The '72 above is a good indication. Since the working die ( making the coins) is hubbed ( squeezed against the more master hubbing die) at least twice making the image used for striking coins, a true Doubled die is when the second squeeze against the hub is slightly off, and a second image/partial image is produced. Since it is being squeezed as hard as the first hubbing, the depth of the image will be quite similar, not one flat ( little squeeze) and the other deep ( regular image) . If you look carefully, you can see a separating line in the middle area of each number in the date and notice the notching isn't flat. Flat notches can occur with MD sometimes also. However, if that was all needed to distinguish, it would be easy, but often, the working die pressing against the hub may be tilted, of different design, etc. and this results in many classes of DD. Unfortunately some master doubling can also occur if the hub making the working dies is doubled itself, Then you can get DD, but they are of generally little value since all of the cents from that situation ( Master doubling) will show the doubling,will be worth little of nothing.
