1964 Lincoln Cent Clash?

Would this be considered a normal Clash? When I flip it over on the
reverse side the D from UNITED is in the exact same spot.

 

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counter stamp on the D

 

aren't counter stamps PMD? If so this I do not believe is one of the coins
with the states on it. the reverse is not dented outward I see no signs on the
reverse from the it being hit on the obverse.

 

It's damage. Probably from a different cent being smashed into it.

 

It's hard for me to tell from your photos, but it looks like there may be some debris embedded above the "D" indentation. Could it have been a "dropped element" with some of the debris remaining? I don't see any other damage that would suggest PMD.

Chris

 

I take back what I said. Spoke too soon without thinking. There would be more damage if smashed with a different cent.

 

i dont see how that can be a clash, thats one of the deeper areas of the die and to make that deep of an impression you would see other events, i have to agree with rick, counter stamp...

 

I agree with Chris , this may be a dropped letter coin

 

did some looking and it can be a dropped letter, nice find.... http://coinauctionshelp.com/droppedletters.html#.Ut68ixAo7cc

 

Do they always need to appear in proper orientation or could they flip on the way down?

 

Yeah this is a Dropped Letter. I sent the pictures Over to someone and they confirmed it.
the orientation of the D is consistent with the D from UNITED on the reverse. I was told
it would be impossible for someone to counter stamp this cent with a D in the exact same position as the D from UNITED on the obverse side.

Thanks to everyone fro their input!

 

the way i read it, the hardened gunk from a letter/number can drop off a die and land in any orientation and also land on an anvil die and be imprinted on a coins reverse..

 

a dropped letter can land on a planchet anywhere it happends to end up. most of the time when a clogged letter or number falls out of the die it breaks apart into tiny pieces , this is one reason why a dropped letter is scarce. other times only part of the dropped letter stays together and makes a partial dropped letter. sometimes the entire letter or number will remain together and makes a perfect sunken impression of itself when the die pushes it down into the planchet when striking the coin.

 

is there a premium on these?

 

Yes they are collected by quite a few collectors but like anything else the condition helps to determine the value , having it certified as genuine would also help.

 

ok cool. so this is worth getting certified?

 

It looks to be in poor condition from the photos. you may want to ask a error expert for their opinion first .

 

ok. Yeah its real greasy on both sides and a bit worn.

 

heres a nice one I have, its really a strike-through error, with dropped lettering http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/black-eyed-grant-cause-explained

 

Looks like another S closer to the head?