1964 D Cent - Cud or PMD?

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  1. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Is 1964 D CUD (4).jpg 1964 D CUD (2).jpg 1964 D CUD (5).jpg 1964 D CUD (6).jpg 1964 D CUD (3).jpg 1964 D CUD (7).jpg 1964 D CUD (8).jpg 1964 D CUD.jpg this a cud across the top or just PMD?
     
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  3. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    looks like glue
     
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  5. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Picture looks different, but it is copper. Just the lighting. These may be better, I think. What is different is that what looks like a die crack is on top of the 'cud' at the E. That would mean it was struck this way, right? Any PMD at this spot should have flattened it out. Thanks for the help. 1964 D cud (9).jpg 1964 D cud (10).jpg
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    No.. looks like the top of the letters were pushed downward. That is not a CUD or a Die Break/Crack
     
  7. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Thanks.
     
  8. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    It sure looks like a die crack running though the E down to and even into his head.

    The squished letters? Maybe PMD, I dunno.

    Put up a picture of whole coin and the backside too.

    Show the edge in a few places.
     
  9. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I'm still learning to. Could this have been done by some type of coin rolling machine? It does look like PMD, like the extra metal is on top of the struck letters.
     
  10. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    The full front and back is posted above. Here are edge shots.
    IMG_3445.JPG IMG_3444.JPG IMG_3443.JPG IMG_3442.JPG IMG_3441.JPG
     
  11. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Here is the 'die crack'.
    1964 D cud (13).jpg 1964 D cud (14).jpg 1964 D cud (12).jpg 1964 D cud (11).jpg
     
  12. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    1964D.JPG For whatever reason, I only see one new picture.
    I'd like to see more of it because it looks quite interesting.
    I'd keep it and see if any siblings to it show up.

    Here is what is displayed on my machine. I'll check on another since I did the huge win10 update today and haven't had any problems anywhere else, just to make sure.
     
  13. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    Is it round and true?
    Full flat front and reverse helpful.
    Two more of your images showed up, still haven't seen them all.
    I see the full front and rear.
    To ponder how it got in that actual condition and not be an early die failure is an interesting exercise.
    I looked at Cuds on Coins and didn't see a 1964 with that die crack through the E.
    If it were a 65 or 66, it almost could be an early stage for one of those, but not quite.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2017
  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The rim was damaged. Somehow it was pounded until it formed a raised, uneven rim. The rim was then folded over by the original damage source or subsequent circulation. You're see folded over copper around the letters. This is PMD and doesn't add any value.

    "Spooning" is a method used to to make coin rings. The edges are hit with a spoon or other object, reducing the diameter and making the rim wider.
     
  15. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    That one would be very tough to replicate yet quite simple to say it's PMD without having a clue about where to start with a good coin and manipulating it to end up like this one.
     
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