1960 franklin half. Is it a DDO?

Do you see anything here that would indicate a DDO?

 

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Between the glare and shadows it's hard for me to tell. Better photos would help a lot. You can check it against: http://doubleddie.com/2289558.html

 

Hopefully this picture is better. I think I see doubling on the date and the word trust. Take picture will enlarge. @thomas mozzillo

 

I can't tell if the date has a lot of reflection from the light direction or not , try to get the light source vertical or diffuse if you make another photograph. Its hard to tell doubling from lighting problems. Jim

 

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now I don'tsee what I see in person in the pics above! This is soooo confusing!

 

I really don't either, thanks for being honest and saying so. Since all we have are photos, and light can really fake out people searching. You will get much better at it after the first 5,000 or so They do not realize how truly hard it is to find something worth keeping, Jim

 

I see very minor or what appears to be very minor doubling. Since only one of the Franklins is attributed with a DD and that's a proof, I doubt this is a DDO. Nice looking coin and I love this series.

 

Thank you both for your answers. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to help this Newbie understand the ins and outs of coins and collecting.
However now I have a second question about "proof" designation. When I looked at other slabbed 1960 DDO franklins, they didn't look any different then mine, at least as I understand a proof......which is with the "satinized" finish. The ones I saw looked just like mine but had the NGC PR or (PF) grade. Is proof on older coins a different thing then the Proofs on modern S Proof coins?

 

Proof is a method of manufacturing coins. It has nothing to do with the grade. The only known DD Franklin is the 1961 proof. If memory serves me correctly it's on E PLURIBUS UNUM.

 

Just to explain.....in my first 2 pictures I saw what looked to me like doubling in the 9 and 0 in the date.....as well as all the letters along the bottom. That's what I see in person as I move the coin around in the light. The D on the left, the R along the top and front edge and the and the inside of the U. They could be all tricks of the lighting I understand that. I see so many claims of DD which show about the same difference, that I get discouraged about my ability to identify a true DD.
I have seen a couple very obvious ones, but for the most part they seem to be these insignificant difference you can only see with a Loupe and most seem to be bad lighting! LOL

 

these are 2 of the sources I was looking at. Plus an auction I saw with a NGC Grade as a DDO. This is what gets so confusing. The eBay one does not look much different then mine. BTW. Thank you again for your time and help! It is appreciated.
http://varietyvista.com/11 Franklin Halves/DDOs 1960.htm

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1960-50c-ddo-fs-101-012/145766

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-DDO-F...94AAOSwvKRcwF09:sc:USPSFirstClass!33594!US!-1

 

You're welcome.

 

I think if you understood how they happen it would help you identify them better.

 

That's strike doubling on your coin.

 

Yes. And as far as I have learned, the Doubling will only be in 1 direction . Either CCW, Clock Wise, North or South. And you would have a split serif on each device, letter, where applicable.
Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.
And I don't want to confuse @Beardigger , but it could also be a Class V DD, Pivoted Hub Doubling, where a small section of coin would have no Doubling, like @3:00 and the Doubling would increase and then diminish by the time it gets back to the 3:00 position. But it would only either be to the inside of the coin or to the outer rim . I hope I described that correctly.
Go to Wexlers Double Die Varieties. You will find excellent descriptions and pictures.
Good luck Bear. We've all been there my friend.

 

The best way to learn about Doubled Dies is to learn all the Classes of DD and how they are made.
Then learn about Die Deterioration and Mechanical/Strike Doubling.

Though a word of caution .. it's the most confusing self-education you'll come across as you'll get everything confused. Most people have a bias, even a slim bias as *wanting* their coin to be something that it is not.

If you start out looking at Known DDs and creating a list of those, then you will create less aggravation. Sure there are discoveries but more than likely not until you learn all the very minute nuances ....

 

Agreed. Doubled Dies aren't from the Coin Press double tapping the coin. It is a stage of the Die when there is slight wear or damage to the Devices that the Die stamps into each coin.
Again, it is not when the Press and the upper Die are pressing the design into the coin, which rests on the bottom Die.

DD's are rounded too, just like the letter/number that is on the face of the coin. If it is FLAT or SHELF like, then it is not a DD.
This is its simplest form, but it's just like a cookie cutter. If you pushed firmly through the Dough, then lifted out of the dough and rotated the cutter or moved it ever so slightly, that would not be DD.
If the wall of the cutter for whatever cookie you were making had a slight bend to it to where a minimal amount would be squeezed out of where its damaged, THAT would be a Doubled Die. It would only be on the one side where the wear or damage is and not on all sides like it would have been if you lifted the cutter and moved it.

I KNOW they are going to give me crap for the cookie cutter analogy, but it's pretty close. And the others will be along after me to clean up or add to what I've said.

And just like the great Clawcoins stated, it will be exciting the first time you think you have found a DD, and maybe you will find 1 right off the bat, but it's highly unlikely. So far I've found 1983 Coppers, 1969 S Doubled Die, 1992 Close AMs, but actually I only have a 1989 D RPM that was for real. Lol but it's all been pretty exciting.

Take Obverse(front) and Reverse(back) pics when you have questions about a coin. We cant tell what you've got if we can't see it. And DO believe the answers these Ladies and Gentlemen give to your questions. It may not be what you want to hear, but it will be correct. This site is a cross between Encyclopedia Britannica and 100 Einstein's .(i know there's a joke to be fleshed out there). They know what they are talking about.
So, enjoy yourself and dont hesitate to ask. Dont ask ME of course, I'm too dumb to get out of my own way lmao, but DO ask Here.
I apologize for being so long winded there, but if I can help you then I'm ok with it.
Thanks
Foo ,,,,,,,,, out

 

No I believe the doubling occurs on the die. It takes 2 impressions from the master die into the working die. The second impression into the working die is just a bit off. So when that finished working die is used, all the coins it stamps have the same amount of doubling in the same place until that working die starts to wear out.

 

Thank you all for your information. I still have a way to go before I can recognize a Doubled Die Coin, but I'm putting all my 1974 D Kennedy Halfs aside for when I do figure it out! LOL