1957 Lincoln Wheat Cent Variety

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  1. Stewart

    Stewart Searcher of the Unique

    1957 Lincoln Wheat Cent

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  3. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I don't see anything other than some possible extra thickness on the date. I would need to see photos where the outer devices are sharper.
     
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It appears to be a "cracked skull", but those are very common from that era.

    BTW, those are some very good pictures.
     
  5. Stewart

    Stewart Searcher of the Unique

    Thanks RLM's cents
    I was going to try to make this a little contest but the pictures seem to not quite be good enough to show the doubling on the reverse. And the little nub at the tip of the left wheat stalk and the cud running down the vertical bar of the "T" I cracked open a 57 roll and all of them are the same to varying degrees Still a pretty Cent to check out. I'll try to get some better shots of it another time.

    Stewart
     
  6. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    I'd like to see a closer shot of the doubling? And the cud is a die break/crack
     
  7. Stewart

    Stewart Searcher of the Unique

    Went through and re-shot this Variety. As mentioned above I have a whole roll of this variety and the coin above was shot last year and put the shots in a photobucket account when I opened the roll. So no guarantee that this coin is the exact same coin as above. I got into the case and got the first one in the line. But it is definitely the same variety and from the same roll.
    Photographed the Obverse, Reverse and the doubling in "E Pluribus Unum"
    also two Die Markers that identify it as the variety. The Tip coming off the end of the wheat stalk. And the Die Break on the "T" in "CENT"
    Enjoy
    Stewart
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  8. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I can see the die gouges and die markers, but I'm still not seeing exactly which variety it is. The die crack on the forehead is similar to the marker for 1DR-001, but not exactly the same.
     
  9. Stewart

    Stewart Searcher of the Unique

    The Crack in the forehead will not be exactly the same as others.
    Like the one pictured on CopperCoins.
    Just in the roll that I have I can see differing degrees of die cracking in the forehead. I am going to put together a few sets showing Die Crack Progression. :goofer: The Things we do with our coins Huh?

    Stewart
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Now you are going to have to be more specific. I see no "variety" listed on coppercoins.com that match yours. I am far from an expert on varieties and/or doubling, but the doubling I am seeing on your coin looks like machine doubling to me.

    As for your "T", that is definitely not a "die break". A die break would result in a line or chunk of the coin being raised to fill the area of the die break. Your "T" contains a recessed mark. Jut looking at one picture, my first guess was that it was a planchet flaw. However, since you say it repeats across a roll, it would likely something retained on a die (grease, dirt, etc.).
     
  11. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I guess I should clarify my thinking on "variety" also. I'm referring to a coin struck by a die that distinguishes the coins struck by that die from others throughout the life of the die. In other words, doubled-dies, RPMs, etc. Cracks, gouges, die lines, etc. I don't consider varieties because they aren't present at every stage of a dies life.
     
  12. Stewart

    Stewart Searcher of the Unique

    As stated die markers change through out the dies life and are in varying degrees through out a dies life or not present at different stages (See Markers Below) And even the stages of the variety itself change with the later die states becoming mushy or blending in with surrounding devises to varying degrees. I am truly sorry I did not clarify these things earlier in the post. I just wanted to show a couple of shots of a variety that I think is in pretty nice condition. Below is the CONECA Designation, Description and Die Marker description in varying Die States
    :) Stewart



    1957

    DDR-001
    Designation:
    1-R-II-C


    Description:
    Strong spread on E PLURIBUS UNUM and both wheat ears and stems


    Grade:
    MS63


    Population:
    3


    Markers:

    UVC-1895
    DMR-008
    Stage A:​
    EDS (unconfirmed)


    Stage B:​
    Small die dent at top of Left wheat – MDS
    Die scratch North-Northwest from upper Right T of CENT
    Obverse is EMDS


    Stage C:​
    Die break on stem of T of CENT – LDS
    Die crack in field to the Right side of stem of T of CENT
    Die crack on forehead – LDS
    Die crack above eye
    Die break above ear


    Reported by:
    Delma K. Romines
     
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