Well I've had this for years and posted a question about other S/D varieties other than the one in Redbook or the Jefferson RPM book but my pics were pretty bad and did not show what I was seeing. I've tried to capture this on many occasions with no luck. Well last night afterspending hours and taking probably 50+ pic at all angles and different lighting I've finally got some descent pictures of this. The 1st pic I have a red arrow pointing to the bottom of the 1st D. The green arrows are pointing to the second Horizontal D. http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z122/nickelman_photos/?action=view¤t=1b-1.jpg This second picture is the same as the 1st without markings. http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z122/nickelman_photos/?action=view¤t=1b.jpg This 3rd pic is at a different angle showing the curve of the Horzontal D. http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z122/nickelman_photos/?action=view¤t=1c1.jpg
I've been kicking that around myself for some time now whether it send to Coinworld or CONCEA just want to know what others think. I tend to look long enough to see things I want to see!
NICE!!! I would contact James Wiles---I think for about $7 he will check the coin and send it back. I would strongly suggest him, and if you need his contact I can send it to you. Speedy
Now the dilema, I send this (also have a few other 'new' varieties I'm sending) to James Wiles and if they are what I believe them to be. I'll want to get them graded. PCGS and NGC will not designate a new variety I have inquired to them about this :headbang: It's this kind of BS why I dislike PCGS and NGC (but they'll designate first strike). IGC I guess would since I could have Mr Wiles send them directly to them after attributing them but IGC coins just don't command prices the way PCGS does and I'm not sure about their grading consistancy and accuracy. ANACS will denote the new variety and desination "Discovery piece". ANACS IMHO has always been more receptive to the needs and wants of the collector and I have always been partial to there product except as of recent. Whats a poor collector to do?
I would pick ICG---I don't know if Mr. Wiles would send it on for you or not but I would ask if I were you as then they might also put that it was the Discovery Piece! I'm by no way an expert---in fact I'm just learning myself about Jefferson nickels but I think you have a neat variety...and I agree that it is a S/D! Finding a new variety today is great fun---getting people to agree with you and willing to say that it is a new variety that they missed...isn't fun...nor easy. James is a great guy from what I can tell from the emails we share...I think he will be able to give you some good advice on who to send these too also! Keep us updated--- Speedy
Speedy, What do you think of ICG' grading standards? Are they considered 2nd or 3rd tier? They are the 'official' graders for CONECA with James Wiles being their autherized attributer. I can send the coins to James with a ICG form for attribution and grading according to CONECAonline.org. I had this coin looked at at the ANACS table about 1.5 years ago at the Baltimore/Washington coin Convention the gentleman at the table told me it was a s/d and he said he tought it was a known variety but I am yet to see any reference to it. He's the one that told me to have it attributed via CONECA and ANACS would designate the variety and discovery peice if it was such. Thanks for your help.
I feel your pain. Worse - they also have a very short set of things they will attribute. If your variety isn't on the list, no attribution... even if the coin is a recognized variety. :headbang: Go with ANACS. I've had dealings with all three of these TPGs, and I agree ANACS seems to have more "desire" - better customer rapport. "#2 tries harder", perhaps ?
I would agree that ANACS is more receptive to new attributions, but since their management change their grading standards are much looser. As a result, coins in their new slabs bring lower prices than ICG. In my opinion, as well as many others, ICG's grading standards for older coins such as this are on a par with NGC & PCGS. In fact it is not uncommon for older coins in ICG slabs to be upgraded by PCGS.
Doug said what I was getting ready to post---For older coins ICG is right on tap....for newer coins I would say that they are off a point or so. Speedy
nickelman...I'm not sure you have a S/D. I tried to lighten up your photos to get a better look, I have to say these are terrible photos...imposible to see anything. I don't see a S/D over horizontal D in these photos. If I was you before I worried about where to get it slabed, I would first see if you can get it listed. James Wiles would be the best to send it to...if he lists it you know you have something! Larry Nienaber
I'd go with ANACS, but try to stop off at the ANA or another large show, they'll examine it for free.
How did you get the pics below the 100K limit? Anyway I agree the pic on the left is terrible but I thought the one on the right was outstanding for a digital camera looking through a loop. Well I am about 99.8% sure this is a S/D variety but not so sure about the Horizontal D. I'm sending this off next week with some other interesting finds I have. I'm in the process of getting photos of the others before I send them out.
