I've recently acquired a 1944 /wheat back Lincoln 1C error coin, I'm interested in the opinion of others and curious if you've seen anything like this before. I'm gonna try and include some pics with this but I'm new to this site and not familiar with how things work just yet. So here's the paticulars for this coin. It appears to have been struck 3 times. The obverse shows the date and most of Lincoln's bust, now rotate it counterclockwise from 12 o'clock to 9 o'clock and strike it again. You have the date from one strike at 3 o'clock and the legend LIBERTY from the other strike at 10 o'clock. Lincoln's torso is now doubled but the back 1/5 of his head is missing (flattened out). The legend IN GOD WE TRUST now reads D WE TRUST but doesn't show any signs of doubling. At the right angle you can see the original legend LIBERTY flattened under the suit coat second strike but you can also see what looks like the 19 from date of the second strike in the suit coat as well. But what flattened and or deformed the second strike date? The third strike. When you look at the reverse this becomes apparent because this is an alphabet soup nightmare. The right half, maybe a little less, appears completely normal. The left half begins to run off the coin, downhill. Rotate the coin clockwise to 1 o'clock and strike, rotate to 2 o'clock and strike. The left wheat stalk has now grown to the 11:30 position and you feel like you need to see an Eye Doctor. Long description but there's alot going on with this coin. Thx can't figure out how to upload attachments, I will try again later.
http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=8565&highlight=post+(upload+photos maybe this will help you with your photos
It could be real or it could be fake---there is a way to make a fake error like what you are talking about and it look pretty good---only a photo will help! Speedy
Thanks for the info. Looks like I need to take a new pic with a lower camera setting. when I edited the pic and made it smaller it turned into a big blur but your link helped me figure out how to upload as soon as I get this quality thing figured out. Original pic is 765mb.
Check the weight and size. It looks pretty good if its a fake. How did you get it? I have a ton of error coins.
I can't tell on this one---it doesn't look like the fakes that I've seen before---but I just don't know. I don't want to say its real and then find out I'm wrong and I don't want to say its fake and be wrong Error coins is something I'm not really good on----Mike will be by I'm sure and he is the "in house" expert! Speedy
In my opinion this coin has been altered. 1 Why would the back of the hair detail be missing. 2 Why would the over strike be missing the date and IN GOD WE TRUST. 3 Look a the difference on the coin surface on the right side of the obverse and the on the left side of he obverse. The on the revers side of the coin the rim looks to be lower at about 7 O'Clock. Also only the left side of the coin (obverse and revers) has been affected by the second strike. Lou
What you can't see in the picture is that the second strike was complete with the date. It's buried in Lincoln's siut coat. There appears to have been a third strike that distorted the other two. It will be going out for grading soon.
I strongly feel that this coin is a fake. Folks take a real coin and use it to create a die. Then they punch a coin a few times with that die to make a fake like this. The shape of this coin gives it away. Also, the extra strikes in a case such as this one usually obliterates most of the previous strikes. It definitely looks like an altered coin to me. Thanks, Bill
1944 error? Ther weight and size are correct and it appears to be of the right composition (used shell casings). This came from my Grandfathers WWII artifacts. He flew 32 missions over Germany as a flight mechanic in the Bombers of WWII. The Memphis Bell's 25 missions always made Grandpa laugh-he had 7 more than that. Sorry, got off the subject. I've got a couple other error coins but I don't want to say much until they've been authenticated. Especially the '43 copper wheat double strike. There is always the possibility that these are altered coins, I've been in possessoin of one or more of those over the years.
im going to tell you this about the 43, its very well known that there are people out there working 48 into 43's Do you have a micoscope? If you do take a CLOSE LOOK at that penny. I just read something about that in a book named " NUMISMATIC FORGERY" My rating of that book is only 6 out of a 10 scale 10 deing high score. But it does contain much info about couterifters. and forgers. You should send those to ICG or ANACS. They a pretty good about not incapsultaing bad coins and not charging you for it. If they dont Grade it they will tell you why. Thats the best way to get them checked out and not worry about having to pay to much. Unless you wanted to send it to me to do some reseach. I have all the tool. lol. But honeslty i know you wouldnt just send it to a random person you met online. So i dont expect you to take me up on the offer. Also your more likly to come across a zinc penny of any other date then to find full copper coat 1943. I might be wrong. But im betting im not. Like i said though SEND THEM TO ICG OR ANACS They will be your best bet in your attempts of finding out the facts about these pennys you have. Good luck!
Believe me, i fully understand what some people are capable of. I'm not out ordering any new trucks or boats. I expect to be 20 bucks broker after having these coins authenticated, one out of three might have some merit but I doubt it will be the '43. I have looked at it with a 10 power loop and can't see signs of alterations but this coin is 3.0 and a micron bigger around than it should be. Could have been hit outside the collar. If nothing else it's a good conversation piece. Appreciate your offer but I'd hate to burden you with a coin like this. ha-ha I was considering using ICG but I've been so busy lately that I haven't had much time for anything else. thanks for the info.
