1922 plain date, authentic?

i have an XF 1922 plain date, i see no D. it's got a strong reverse, strong 19 then a weakened 2 then weaker 2nd 2. i've been told by 2 coin 'experts' this isn't a real 1922 plain date but i don't see how. can someone throw some info on me here to where i could tell finally whether my coin is the 'real deal' or not? thanks!! rob, in dallas

 

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You may try the link below , good pictures & info. Get a loupe or magnifying glass & try to find the identifying marks.


1922 NO D info

 

Welcome to CT. Stick around, enjoy and learn.

As for your 1922, without a pic, I can say little except that removing the "D" is fairly easily done and if done carefully would be nearly impossible to detect. Look here: http://lincolncentresource.com/1922Ddievarieties.html. If your coin does not exactly match the criteria there, you coin is a fake.

 

i looked at mine compared to the page you sent. the O in one is just a little less raised on the left than right but not much, the L in "Liberty" has a hairline gap between the rim and L compared to a 1929D in the same grade that had more of a gap but isnt butted up against the rim as the info says it could be, the L almost touches on the bottom corner. The 1922 has the 2nd 2 weaker than the first 2 which is weak already, "in god we trust" doesnt look as raised as the 29D i am comparing it to, and i actually think the reverse is rotated counter clockwise a little bit. thanks for the info, im almost sold that it's legit. think so?

 

Welcome to CoinTalk :high5:

 

Without a pic, I can add nothing. They are difficult to authenticate with pix. Without pix, I would not attempt it. However, the rotated reverse is a good sign.

 

what's your email and i'll send them to you directly? better yet, email me aa777@att.net and i can send pics to anyone who would be interested in helping. thanks!

 

Here are your pix - cropped so they can be posted. Now I can say that the coin is a fake. It has a strong reverse and therefore must be die #2 - if real.

The second "2" is weaker than the first. Your "L" does not but to the rim. Your "WE" is not mushy at all. You obverse is much too strong to be a 1922-.

 

so you're saying it's a fake? the O in one on the back is a little mushy on the left side, not much but some. No trade of the D.

 

But the "O" is referring to die #3 only. Do not mix facts from one to the next. Die #3 has a weak reverse. Yours is definitely not weak. You need only look at the diagnostics for die #2 as I listed.

 

so you think it's a type 2 then?

 

Don't read too much into it. The second 2 as you said isn't stronger than the first; its weaker.

 

aa77rob,

There are different varieties of the 1922 plain. Some are worth more than others. What RLM is saying is that the variety which is a match to your cent's reverse, is NOT a match to your cent's obverse, thus is not a real 1922 plain.

Jim

 

I definitely agree with what the others have said. The particular coin in a nutshell just has too much detail to be any of the 3 known coins....

I'm not even sure this piece started life as a 1922 D... most 1922 d's aren't even struck this well... not to mention the date spacing looks a little funny

 

Thank you for clearing my post. That is exactly what I meant.

 

but if it's minted that way, im not sure what it would fall under then. i see alot of what die pair 2 contains and this coin has that. maybe you just need to be holding it to see it and not pictured on the net. i may just have ANACS look at it and give me a definitive. maybe it's a variety unseen before

 

I'm by no means an expert with these, but from what I have seen...rlm is very knowledagle when it comes to Lincoln's. From looking at the pictures and the linked websites, I agree that your coin has a strong reverse and therefore could only be die #2. But, it lacks other features of a die #2 coin and therefore can't be a die #2. Therefore, the coin isn't a 1922 No D. I feel that sending the coin to ANACS would only confirm these results and IMHO be a waste of money.

As to why the D isn't there. It is likely that it was removed by someone in the past. It could be a grease filled die which caused the D to disappear...but even if that was the case it would not be considered a 1922 No D.

 

The advice here is free and is generally very good. If you want to spend money to get the same answer from ANACS by all means go right ahead.

As closely as the 1922 Lincolns have been studied over the last 87 years the odds of your coin being a discovery coin of a new variety are incredibly small. But, hey, anything is possible. Go for it.

Let us know what you find out.

 

No, this is not a Die pair #2

 

whats it lacking the most then for it not to be a 2 ? just curious