I am trying to understand 1922 Lincoln cents. I see the following referred to: 1) 1922-D 2) 1922-P 3) 1922-D Weak D 4) 1922 No D 5) 1922 No D Strong Reverse 6) 1922 No D Weak Reverse I assume 1922-P refers to the No D variety? The No D variety comes in 3 die pairs, with die pair #2 also referred to as Strong Reverse. While Weak Reverse covers both die pairs #1 and #3. If the above is correct, this leaves 1922-D and 1922-D Weak D to be defined. I have seen Weak D varieties for sale where there is no D visible in the pictures (e.g. on Teletrade) But I have also seen a dealer graded Weak D with a clearly visible D. Can someone explain this or give me a pointer to something that will sort things out?
I would suggest contacting Ira. Ebay name is iras4, RCC he goes by Ira. He is the most knowledgable person I have ever seen when it comes to the 1922 Lincolns.
gc - There were no Lincoln cents struck at Philly in 1922 - none at all. To read a bit more about the D cents of that year - Click Here
Exactly. That is why I assume when I see references to 1922-P they really mean (either as a shorthand or out of ignorance) the 1922 no D. But that is the easy one. What is a 1922-D Weak D? How visible is the D?
Well, that depends on the coin. On some it is more visible than others. But the long and the short of it is - if you can see the D - it's a weak D.
That is what I was starting to suspect, but then there is a 1922-D with no qualifier. Look at the PCGS price list and #2537 has that designation. What distinguishes 1922-D and "1922-D Weak D"? Is that PCGS designation generally accepted? Or do people just say Weak D if you can see the D (without magnification) and No D if you cannot see the D? There is a Weak D grade by a local coin store that is applied to a coin with an almost normal looking D. Did they make a mistake or is that general nomenclature?
You need to understand that the coins are just another cent when the D appears normal - so it's a '22-D. The weak D examples are the result of an over-used die and/or a grease filled die - but just that one die. All the rest of the '22-D cents are normal.
Yes, there were several die pairs - with pair being the key word. I will happily be corrected, but I do believe that it was the reverse die that was changed and all were matched the same obverse die.
There is now a Die #4 (attributed by ANACS) up on Heritage. Can anyone give me a pointer to learn about #4??
The only important pointer to remember is that Dies 1, 3, and 4 are all WEAK D varieties! The only true NO D is Die Pair #2, thus that is the die pair that is quite valuable. There are other 1922 cents where the D is not visible, or just barely visible, but the market only regards die #2 as valuable.
This much I know. But I am more a collector than an investor. What I am interested in is what identifies a die pair #4. I can sort out Die pairs #1 and #2 and #3, but how about #4??
Are these often faked? Seems like it would be pretty easy for someone to make that "d" disappear without much trace.
The die markers for each die are known and are a way to tell with a certainty whether a 22 cent is from one of the weak-d dies or the no-d die. As for what the exact markers on die 4 are, I don't know them off the top of my head.
1922 Weak D die pair 4 and more A complete explanation of all FOUR die pairs can be found at my website: http://www.lincolncentresource.com/ Go to 1922 weak D and No D varieties. Let me know what you think of the article. Thanks, Brad
