1921 Morgan Feed Finger Gouges

Originally bought this cause i thought the strike through at the date was neat. Now im trying to figure out the VAM and was wondering if these are considered feeder finger gouges. Pics arent the best but i think you can see what im talking about.

 

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Looks like a lamination error, the date is the dead give-away .....

 

It looks like a strikethrough to me, though I'm not sure about the "feeder fingers" theory.

Chris

 

I thin it's a lamination, only because the Denticles weren't effected, just weakly struck ...

 

Chris took the words right out of my mouth. While the appearance of denticles still in the date area would be a vote for lamination over strikethrough, the look suggests otherwise. I'm guessing it was a big blob of grease that was just a thin layer at the denticle area and 9 that didn't fully obstruct the strike. The reverse marks I'm not sure about. Feeder finger marks are usually fine patches that would wear down with that level of wear unless it was an extreem case I'm guessing although the placements look off too. Could be though. Interesting 21

 

I own some statehood quarters, that the reverse has the same effect and their feeder-finger error ....

 

Feed finger artifacts will be vertically-oriented (when the reverse is viewed right-side up) and located usually at the F in OF and adjacent wingtip, sometimes also at the ST in STATES. These marks are therefore oriented wrong for that phenomenon.

I'm inclined to think the marks at AMER to be postmint, as in the full-face image one can see them proceeding over top of the wreath leaves which would be pretty unlikely for a die artifact. Still working on attribution; with my execrable Internet connection, ten minutes in the VAMworld 1921 crack page is still loading....

 

Rick, the reason that I disagree with this theory is because the striations extend in different directions. The marks at the "AME" of AMERICA extend from the northwest to the southeast while the marks at the "E D" of ONE DOLLAR extend from the southwest to the northeast. The feeder fingers are in a fixed position so the direction should be the same.

The denticles WERE affected because four of them ARE weak. The weakness came from what was probably compacted grease and debris that dropped from the die and was struck into the coin.

Chris

 

Ugh! Searching the 1921 VAM listings is for VAMpires with a death wish.

Chris

 

I like to see a closer image of the date, because I can see the number 9 for sure and it looks like the 1 too ...

Also an image of the rim under the 1 & 9, since it was effected ...

 

Maybe this coin was mounted once and thats what's going on with the reverse ...

 

A jewelry mount usually affects small parts of the rim, but not such a large area of the field.

Chris

 

The 1 & 9 are definitely visible which suggests that the grease and debris were thick enough to allow only a partial strike.

Chris

 

The area just looks so smooth to me, thats why I want some closeups ..

 

Yeah, I've always been self-destructive by nature.

If a strikethrough - I think it's too deep for a detached lamination to be still showing vestiges of the original strike, although I may be wrong - I lean towards a solid rather than grease. Grease would have been too deep there to allow details to transfer. Fun feature.

 

Sunday, fun day ....

 

If it had been a solid, it would have fallen away and the remnants of the "19" would not be visible. We've seem many, many instances (mostly Lincoln cents) posted on CT where a grease-filled die left a partial strike on the coin.

Chris

 

And that's why I was asking. I was on vam world for a couple hours working on this and i couldnt figure out if that's what these marks were for sure since they were in the wrong areas. I was leaning towards pmd but wanted to be more sure.

 

Im pretty sure it's a strike through. Here's the closer image

 

Ok, so it looks like the marks are deeper than than the fields. They dont effect the devices around them and they are shinier than the rest of the coin. Like recessed, which would have given them more protection from wear and hits seen on the rest of the coin.