1919 S Buffalo

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  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I'm getting ready to sell off a few items that no longer are needed in my collection. Most have been replaced with a better grade ,or have long been sitting here and no longer needed it.
    I like some opinions on value on this 1919 S Buffalo. In hand a solid AU with some details two lamination errors on the obv. one just above the hair line above the forehead,the other a small peel at the ribbons and rim at 6 K .
    Some environmental damage under the chin,and on the two feathers below the knot. and one on the nose. A carbon spot below the horn. I'm at $350/400 AU no details however that' is truly not the case...your thoughts? 1919 s Buffalo.jpg 1919 S Obv. 3-4-18.jpg 1919 S Buffalo rev 3-4-18.jpg
     
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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Beautiful piece and I think you are spot on...... I’m just jealous that you have the ability to actually sell a coin. Especially one that nice.
     
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  4. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I'd see what @C-B-D thinks. He predicted this AU Details quarter would sell for $125-30 and sure enough it closed at $125.

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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Well as a detailed coin the value is not the same as an Au coin without issues.
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I agree with AU details.

    However, the corrosion spots are going to kill the value. Have you attempted to remove the corrosion? This appears to be actively eating your coin, and needs to be stabilized.
     
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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    It hasn't gotten any worse then when i aquired the specimen over 15 years ago.
    It was treated then as I purchased a nice group of buffalos from an estate.
    2 1919 p 2 1918 p 1 1919 D 2 1918 D's and the 1919 s .

    I'm just wondering a fair asking price.
     
  8. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    If it were mine and I was going to list it on eBay, I'd ask $225.00 BIN BO. I'd be willing to let it go at around $190.00 at the lowest. But it would all depend on how much I had in to it as well.
     
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  9. Wheatmaster101

    Wheatmaster101 U.S. Cent Collector

    I'd say its worth in the ballpark of $260-$280
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Well here's a twist..... I just picked up my new $25 purchase the abraded die variety book on buffalos.....and yup this specimen is a variety. ADO 2F #13 BO5-19S2F-01

    Notes say general rarity not yet determine!

    Observations This seems to be one of the most difficult to find of any of the attenuated feather varieties!
    It is very rare in any grade and much tougher than either the 1919 p or 1919 D .
    A small remnant of the 3rd feather remains on this date, a few sales records do exist. Now this reference is reprint 2015 the 30 th printing of the text. Now for sure well worth tbe $25 paid for the book.. the sales records list it in. Xf at $ 575.00 no pricing above xf.
    Vf $300 f 125 vg 75 g 35
     
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  12. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    So my CPG list's the 1919-S Two Feather as FS-401. That particular variety has sold on Great Collections in PCGS XF-45 for $825.00. Another XF-45 in PCGS sold on Heritage back in September for $552.00. Man, these varieties just seem to fall in your lap.. ;)
     
  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Ok so again what is it worth in details Au condition ? And your last statement is false :jawdrop:

    @C-B-D
     
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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Given the number and size of the spots, I think interested parties will want to knock the coin two full grades. Still, from the right variety collector I think you should be able to get $400 Paddy.

    - Mike
     
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  15. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    That's a really tough answer. I'd say it's between the lowest XF-45 at $550.00 and what @ToughCOINS stated of around $400.00. I'd probably send it to GC and have them submit it to PCGS and auction it off and let the market decide. The only thing you would have to do is sit back and wait for a check. You never know, a couple of collectors might just HAVE to have it.

    Also, I know my last statement was false, just giving you crap for the Chinese Knock-off '38-D remark. LOL
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    See why you need the book? Duh....
     
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  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    If it is such a rare variety, I'd suggest submitting it to NCS to remove the corrosion, and then submit it to your favorite TPG. The value will be significantly enhanced by removing the green. I don't care how supposedly rare it is, a coin with active corrosion like that is poison.
     
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  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I bet Ian at GC would happily have that done. :) I do agree with you in getting it under control first.
     
  19. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The 1919-S Is one of the most difficult the obtain the 2 feather designation. Personally, I have held a rainbow toned MS63+ example that PCGS refused to give the designation to after 3 tries. NGC also declined once. But literally there is NO feather visible save for perhaps a shadow of one..... even less than your coin. So submitting it won't guarantee the designation. You might know for a fact that it qualifies, but the TPG'S often still won't give it the 2F. This has happened for me on other dates as well, particularly the 1921-S. I think your coin will probably straight grade, but if you want max money for it, you have to get lucky and have the TPG put their stamp on it. Otherwise, the 2f collectors will be cautious with their money.
    As for value, yeah if it got the variety and gets straight graded it could potentially hit the $800-$1000 mark. Raw I would be happy if someone gave me $350-$450.
     
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  20. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I think you should submit that coin to PCGS. Not just for attribution, but, also for grading. 1919-S is well known for weakly struck coins. Your coin has much more detail than most from that date and mint. I can't really tell from the pics, but, make sure you are seeing wear and not planchet marks. I think you are leaving money on the table at low AU.

    When I first looked at the coin I thought "Two-Feathered" also. It does appear to have a faint outline. 50/50. I think it is worth the fee for attribution. I think attribution fee is $18. Well worth the money if it attributes correctly.
     
  21. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Well I appreciate everyones opions and this month there's several shows coming up.
    I'm sure that one of the dealers I know will want it.....the first $200 offer it's sold.
    I don't have the time to be playing with it... between work and family .
    The money I have in it and the other coins that were purchased from the estate have more than trippled the amount I paid some 15 years ago.. so basically I am just going to sell it at the next show. Thanks again...
     
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