1918 Lincoln "Die Crack or Some Type of Lamination"

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by TJ1952, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    A large ragged ridged linear "Die Crack or Some Type of Lamination" running north to south on both sides. I don't see any evidence of peeling. Although, it could have been worn down/off years ago. "Both sides of the coin", left of the anomaly is distinctively thinner or flattened then the right side of the anomaly. A distinctive ridge line on both sides. I've been looking, I just don't see any good examples of this out there. I see a lot of examples of die cracks and lamination but nothing that looks like this.

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  3. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Hard to tell for sure sometimes with coins with that much wear but I think it's probably a lamination.
     
  4. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    A die crack would be raised from the surface and probably would have worn away by the looks of the wear on your coin. And would a lamination problem be on both sides of the coin? This looks like some kind of post mint damage.
     
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  5. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    well worn lamination...
     
  6. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Good question: Can lamination occur on both sides?
     
  7. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    yes
     
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  8. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    This looks like some kind of post mint damage. I'm not to sure Markus. I'm still looking for other examples.
     
  9. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Definitely a lamination error, or properly named "delamination"

    (Edit: or old partial acid dip)

    Here are some examples of some lamination errors I own to help you see that it can happen to almost any coin.

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  10. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that! Your penny also looks like improper alloy mix.
     
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  11. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Indeed it is, Woody on both sides and a long delamination/lamination error on the reverse.
     
  12. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    I wonder what the record is for the number of errors in "one" coin?
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hi TJ
    Like it was stated.. Die Crack would be raised. A Die Crack is on the Die itself not on the planchet so when the Die strikes the blank the metal flows into the crack on the Die. I say Lamination.
     
  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    No need to put quotation marks " " on the word one :wacky:

    I have seen coins with about 3 different errors on it. If I find the picture I will share.
     
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  15. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that paddy. Yes, I understand what you're saying. Lamination would make the most sense. As you look at the coins I posted, the "entire" right side of the lamination line is "higher/raised" from the left side. I can only describe it as "plateau like" on the obverse (right side) and reverse (right side) of the coin. In your travels, have you ever seen a similar strike?
     
  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I'm really leaning towards a half way acid dip. That would explain why the line appears "higher" than the other side. That, or the laminated piece fell off years ago and it got worn down later.
     
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  17. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm, half way acid dip. I don't know.

    If only these coin of ours could talk. The places they've been, the things they've seen and heard.....
     
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  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    My reasoning behind suggesting the acid dipping is that both of the recessed sides are much cleaner than the other.
     
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  19. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's a good point. I hadn't looked at it like that before. It is odd that the left sides are both much cleaner then the right sides. But you say acid dip. Who or for what reason would that have happen? You're talking environmental damage or intentional PMD? A lot of good people here are suggesting lamination.
     
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  20. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    It very well could be lamination, but the discoloration makes me wonder why half of it is one way and the other half another. It makes me think that the change happened long after it was struck and perhaps the coin looked entirely like the "dirty" side was and then down the road something changed on the other half and cleaned it up. Acid would be my best guess. It'd still preserve the way the coin looked but reduce the amount of metal on the coin. I have a coin that it reminds me of that I've shown recently but will repost for good measure.

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  21. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I have a feeling the lamination distorted the coin and how it was handled, leading to the uneven finish. The reverse looks as if it could be a delamination worn by circulation.
     
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