1917 D Obsverse

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  1. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

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  3. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'd give it an F12. Designs on the obverse and reverse seem pretty worn. If I had the coin I wouldnt send it in but thats totally your call, certainly send it in if thats what you'd like to do.
     
  4. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I think there is very little wear, except for some marks on the "UN" in UNITED on the reverse and very light circuation wear on the obverse with a "dim ding" @ 11 o'clock. I'd give it a VF-30 at the very least, but I am prone to overgrading since I want my own coins to be better than they are. :D

    Very nice coin Ryan!

    Coin on! :thumb:

    Ribbit :)
     
  5. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member


    Hmmm....it must be the way I'm looking at the picture then. To me the highest part of the design on Liberty from her forward leg all the way up to and including her head all look somewhat flat as well as the breast and forward leg of the eagle. To me though, Walkers are beautiful coins regardless of the grade.
     
  6. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Ryan also scans his coins and you have to take that into consideration. He needs to photograph them but he's stubborn. :D

    The areas you said are worn, are the high areas of the coin and they are worn but I think it is light wear and not enough to degrade it enough to warrant a grade that low but like I said, I have a habit of overgrading so you may be much closer than I am.

    Ribbit :)
     
  7. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    I dont know, scanning a coin seems to take away the sharpness of the details so you may very well be right. Pictures would no doubt be better.
     
  8. pbryan

    pbryan Member

    I'm not seeing any skirt lines either... My ANA Grading Guide says pre-1921 they can be weak, but must still be visible to get a VF-20 even F-12 needs half of them visible...

    Also, I have most of a set of Walkers, and I'm used to seeing a fair bit of dirt collect around liberty, the eagle, and the rims in circulated coins, especially lower graded coins. It even shows up in the ANA and Photograde guide photos... it strikes me a little odd to see so little on this coin... But I'm still learning too...

    --Paul
     
  9. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I don't know if you caught it or not, but he must have been so excited with this coin because when he posted it he misspelled "obverse' in the title and he forgot to say what coin it is (aka: Walking Liberty Half). :D

    I can so relate because every once in a while I manage one of those (get a nice coin in the mail or on an auction) and I can't see straight. :kewl:

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: I see the skirt lines. :kewl:
     
  10. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Trust me, there is FULL luster, and has been uncleaned and NOT messed around with. Also, complete full rims with the lines on the side aswell! Value? So F-12, F-20, or what?
     
  11. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    You need a camera, Ryan! :hammer: Scanning bites and makes it hard to see detail! :kewl:

    Ribbit :)
     
  12. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member


    In my opinion for the grade I gave it, its around a $50-60 dollar coin in F12. Here are a few price guides I found for you. I know, as does everyone, that the PCGS guide is high but I've provided it anyway along with another thats probably more accurate.

    http://www.pcgs.com/prices/PriceGuideDetail.aspx?c=733

    http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/prices/wlkhlv/pricesgd.shtml
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ryan, I think you are confused. A coin in that condition doesn't have ANY luster. Luster is the effect that is created by the metal flowing when the planchet is struck by the dies. It is the very fine lines on the surface of the coin that catch and reflect the light in a certain way. But as a coin endures wear the luster disappears - those fine lines are the first thing to go.
     
  14. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Maybe Ryan will get a camera soon so he can photograph his coins, instead of using the scanner, and we will be able to see them better? :kewl:

    Ribbit :)
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To be quite honest with you, scanners tend to do a better job of showing detail on a coin than a camera does. What people have trouble capturing with scanners is luster & color - not detail.
     
  16. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Ryan, I agree with GD, unless it's been messed with, a coin in that grade shouldn't have any luster. :(

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  17. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    My camera does good with showing detail. :D And once I get the new lens (when someone will let me know which one is the best bet - see post?) I'll be able to take photos of all my coins with doubling on them. I need a macro lens or something that will get in really close to show the doubling better.

    Ribbit :)
     
  18. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    I always though luster was 'original detail'. If it isn't, I could tell that this coin has NOT been messed around with, and has never been cleaned. It is all 'Original'? Would you say it like that?
     
  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    even i agree with GD for a change :) by original do you mean its not tampered with hard to say from th epics but it has seen a lot of wear so all the original details of the coin cannot be there
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ryan I see no signs in the pics of harsh cleaning, but I do not think the coin is original either. Based on the pics I would say that is has probably been dipped to remove dirt, grime and unsightly toning. You can still see small traces of it on the coin.

    To me it is a coin that has good honest wear and was probably first collected by somebody from circulation. But that person probably sold the coin later and then someone tried to "improve" it by dipping the coin.
     
  21. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    All I know that there are no hairlines! It could been possibly dipped, but other than that, nothing else could of been done?

    How much do you think this will go on eBay?
     
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