Okay, well, can anybody give me an estimate of the grade here? It has full cartwheel luster, full red, and is almost immaculate, not quite, almost. But there's that flaw, look by the VDB, what is that? I have another coin that has a similar flaw but it's closer to the rim and while also a MS coin, the VDB is more visible but does appear to have 'rub down' and I know too little thus far into my coin collecting escapades to guess. Anyways, a grade guess [value] and any information would be great regarding this 1909 vdb. [Would PCGS still accept it for grading also?] I asked in the general forum, should have asked here so if a moderator could delete THAT thread, that'd be great. Thanks in advance for any help! Regards, Aaron P.S. I am rather new to coin collecting. I originally opened my account here over a year ago due to a wheat penny search where I encountered a '1943' non steelie. That's right...And after learning more, determined that somebody somewhere a long time ago had a lot of time on their hands, but it looked pretty darn close to being authentic without a magnifer, chuckle!
I found one on ha with a similar line through the vdb. Can somebody please elaborate as to what this is and what causes it? Thanks! http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=454&Lot_No=432&src=pr
That is one sharp coin, a 65 or 66 ( or better ) redbrown or brown would not suprise. Is that a raised die crack ( I have never seen on like that yet ) near the vdb, OR , a scratch perhaps from removing it from a cardboard holder or maybe a counting machine? If it is damage and not a raised crack, it will lower the grade substantially, possibly even to the point of a BB for damage.
It sure does not look raised to me, but I am not sure it is a scratch either. It MAY be a lamination. And, it also looks like thee may be some corrosion over the VDB area. Without the scratch and without the corrosion, it would go 66, I think. However, I would guess that it would most likely be bagged.
That is a beautiful coin. Interesting surface down by the VDB. Please tell us what you find out about it.
Hey AJ, I thought the same re: 65+. Hence why I asked here. I sit and stare at the HA images when I come across a good coin and pay close attentions to even the slightest things and this particular one came across as good or better as many of the 65's and 66's there. HOWEVER, then I started to think ah man, this vdb issue. Well, I tell you what, if it's a scratch, it definitely doesn't have the making of a scratch. It still appears smooth at the surface there, but much more shiny. I've seen a lot of similar vdb's though where they have the same problem on HA but to a lesser degree. I'm just wondering. I have a collection of VDBs I plan on sending off to be graded and I want to keep the best one as well as a really nicely toned VDB I have [it won't grade higher than a 64 ] but it definitely has eye appeal. Don't want to waste one that will be bodybagged, it's my second best one though so I had to ask! If anybody's curious and would like a high resolution scan to analyze, I'll be more than happy to provide to get to the bottom of that issue. And thanks all for your comments. Appreciated! Regards, Aaron
I stand by my grade - 66RB, but I still cannot tell what is going on there. And it is not your pics. In fact, those are great pics. The only thing I can add now is that it may be small enough that they would still grade it, but that toning is right at or has just turned to corrosion. Were I you, I would take a shot at it. That is a nice coin!
Hey you, Thanks again for the comment. I am having troubles trying to understand it. I've been informed that the VDB issue is in fact a clogged die issue, BUT it's too hard to make out the other issue. It appears to be scratched, but under a loupe, it looks like a lightning bolt fracture if you follow. I'm just getting into the various error types and such, but from above not under a loupe, it appears well, scratched and depending on how you hold it in the light, it looks like it isn't there or it looks like it is there. All a matter of angle. It's been the hardest part trying to photograph that issue in of itself and right now a microscope would be great, laugh. Otherwise, the strike is sharp, there are a few extremely minor marks, and I would otherwise think it to be a fantastic coin.
Now you have said what I think it is - a lamination. They should grade it, but may knock it down a point. All this depends on whether or not they call that corroded.
OK! wow! nuff said about the coin, I dont need to express my opinion. BUT, how the heck did you get such a good picture? What did you use for lighting???
Coin is awesome!!! It has a rusted look at the bottom or could be considered corrosion I guess? Maybe acetone briefly, but don't take my advice. I think it's a great coin and the eye appeal would override the possible corrosion in my opinion.
