Hello, I have a 1908 Bolivia 50 Centavos coin die that is non-defaced.I also have the corresponding coin with the matching die cracks. I got the coinCertified by NGC, Which should prove that the die is original. My Question is that I am looking to insure the pair but Ihave no idea as to the monetary value or the rarity of the sets like this. Any informationthat I can get here would be helpful. Please see the photos below and Pleaselet me know if you have any questions for me. Thanks.
That is a nice radial die crack that you have there, and it is great that you can provide the added provenance for the coin. As for insurance value, I can't say because 1) I have no idea of the (base) value for the coin and 2) don't know what you paid for the die. Maybe someone else can help. Chris
Die is worth, what, $40? Coin is worth about $35. I wouldn't bother getting them insured, unless you're just reporting it for homeowners. In that case, claim the die at whatever you can provide a receipt showing what you paid, and claim the coin at $35 based upon NGC pricing ($25 XF & $55 BU). Since foreign dies aren't cancelled, they're a lot more common than US equivalents.
Though they are similar, I don't believe that coin was struck with that die. The die cracks that exist on the coin are in slightly different places on the die. Look closely and you can see this. And I do not believe it is a case of earlier and later die states either for some other characteristics are not the same on the die and coin either. Regardless of that, it's still a pretty cool set. As for the die, that is far and away the better part, and the far more valuable part, of the set. Now I don't know what the die would be worth exactly because I have never seen one, nor have I seen one offered for sale. But I have seen non-canceled US dies for sale, and they are anything but cheap ! I once had a chance to buy a non-canceled Morgan obverse die, but I passed on it because the asking price was $11,000. I know of another that was $12,000. Now a large part of that price is undoubtedly because of the popularity of Morgan dollars, and the rarity of the die itself. And I doubt you could ever get that much for this die, but ya never know. Either way, if it was mine, I sure wouldn't sell it.
Doug, The radial crack through the left side of the "9" does appear to be a little wider on the die. Do you think the coin might be an EDS? Chris
It appears you're asking $5000 for the other you own on ebay which looks to be in better condition. Pretty cool either way . Not sure on the pricing since there is nothing that I can find to compare to but if I were to make an assumption I'd say that it would sell at a no reserve auction for $300-$700. That is just a number being thrown out there based upon gut feeling ,along with knowing what modern canceled dies have sold for, nothing else
None of the major cracks on the die are on the coin. But it's when you look closely at the small die cracks on the coin, and then compare them to those on the die - that you see that they are not the same at all. They are not in the same places, they are close, but not the same.
Hello Friend, I respect your opinion and I thank you for your response but that being said I am going to have to disagree with you simply because you’re not taking all of the similarities of the die and the coin into account. It’s not just about the major die crack in the 9, which to me looks spot on if you count the dots in the in the rim they match perfectly. The Coin definitely is an earlier die state though. On top of that there are at least 10 additional flaws in the die that match the coin (granted it is hard to see in the original photos that I posted). Take a look at the new photos that I posted. I pointed out the various matching flaws and let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Best Regards, -Kyle
We shall have to agree to disagree. Some of what you have circled are the marks and cracks I refer to, and they are not in the same places IMO. Yes, in a later die state the marks/cracks would be worse/larger on the die, but they could not move to slightly different locations.
Very cool matching die and coin set... no idea what they are worth, but I know I'd still pay a couple hundred for them just to have them in my case when I sell at shows. Definite attention grabber! :thumb:
