I found this in some coins I got from a bargain bin at a coin show. After some research I think this is a retained die cud. Does anyone else have a different name for this error, or know if it adds value?
Yes, it is, on both sides of the reverse. At first I thought it was a die crack, then I found some info about a 'retained cud' and it seemed to match what I was seeing. What do you think?
Well, in all honesty, I don't feel I can give an in depth opinion without a closer, inhanced quality photo of the place of interest. Zoom in at 8 o' clock on the reverse just a tad so I can see more detail of this possibe die crack. -Brian
The first picture definitely appears to have the area at 8:00 defined by the crack to be at a higher level than the rest of the field. In other word it does look like a piece of the die has broken off and been displaced but has not fallen away. So there is a retained cud and not a full cud.
What's the obverse strike look like in that area. If the denticles are weak it would indicate a retained cud.
Here's the obverse - I don't see any weakness in the denticles, but maybe I don't know what I'm looking for.
A cud is an area along the edge of the die that breaks away and produces a blob of metal that extends into the field when the planchet is struck. It appears that the die crack to the southwest on your coin begins at one point on the rim, extends into the field and arcs back to the rim above its origin. If the die that produced this continued to be used, it is very likely that this part of the die could have broken away and would then have produced a cud. In effect, your coin is an earlier die state. So, you now have to keep looking for another 1904 which might have the cud. I'm familiar with a "retained strikethrough", but I've never heard of these die cracks referred to as a "retained" cud. Chris
After reading up on retained cuds a little more I agree with you, and I now understand the difference. I believe my coin is showing 2 different die cracks, and as you said, later the die probably broke. I found an article which is pretty interesting on the subject of retained cuds, and this is definitely not what my coin is showing. Thanks for the clarification. http://www.coinvaluesmag.com/articles/retained-cud-diagnostics-sometimes-leave-room/
Thanks for posting the link. By the way, the author of that article, Mike Diamond, is a member here. Chris
That is exactly what your coin is showing at the SW crack, a vertical displacement of the area between the crack and the edge of the coin.
