1902 IHC Mechanical doubling or what. first images

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  1. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    Here's the first images I could take that are close to getting the doubling going on with this coin.

    I'll put more up and hopefully get a good description for this IHC.
     

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  3. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    The description.

    Most prominent on the reverse CENT "T" is a prominent step off the right side of the T post. Also noted is the ghost outline around a non prominent right side T top including a deteriorating point. The "E" above the T has some noticable outlining in a few spots and around the right side corners.

    This first image does not show the step on the T. I'm going to keep taking images until I get a good one. I'll also take regular obverse and reverse to get opinions of the grade.

    Any one have any previous selling prices for these type coins? I did read that in 1902 there is a "Longacre Doubling" effect going on. Any help would be a help.
     
  4. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    More images here (all the ones I take and do not post here will go here): LINK REMOVED!!!


    Right.. I didn't realize that you need to sign in to myspace to see my album. I've taken the link down because of that reason..
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I see no evidence of doubling in the pic you provided. And your link doesn't work - I get the
    message.
     
  6. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    Sorry about the link. I will work to upload more images today here.. It's not a "PROMINENT" error, so I need to get better images.
     
  7. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    better image of Reverse 1902 IHC * ERROR? *

    Here's a new image. Please reply with input. Thanks
     

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  8. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    1902 Reverse * ERROR? * Help is requested

    I was about to put this coin in a set for sale and gave it my usual once over before placing it. Here's what I saw:

    Help with grading the coin and any value thoughts are needed.
     

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  9. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    Looks like strike doubling to me. That's pretty common for Indian Cents.
     
  10. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    could be a recut die if this is the only place that you see a "shadow" on any of the letters

    hope that helps
     
  11. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    I've looked over the rest of the coin and cannot see any other places where this is evident.
     
  12. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yep - machine or strike doubling. Kind of common, but still cool on IHC.
     
  13. LSM

    LSM Collector

    I would agree, machine doubling.

    Lou
     
  14. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    I appreciate y'all coming in and leaving your thoughts. I'm going to take images of the whole cent. It's a circulated coin, but I'm giving it an F12 grade. So with this doubling...what's high side and low side of the value.
     
  15. LSM

    LSM Collector

    There would be no extra value due to this type of doubling.

    Lou
     
  16. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    Well I'm glad I found it before it went out the door. Thanks for the input...
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    And with the better pic you can see that is exactly what your coin has - Longacre doubling.
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I agree Longacre doubling which surprises me. I thought they had finally gotten way from the Longacre doubling back in the late 1880's.
     
  19. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    So can we continue to work this coin though? 1902. I also read that the Longacre doubling was corrected 20 plus years earlier. And if that is right, then how did this 1902 have this problem. Also, the Longacre doubling did not posess the straight edge lines of this doubling. From what I've seen of them, they follow their own paths around the sarif.

    I could be very wrong, and that's ok. I'm also finding hard to find this type of doubling on other IHC with images posted online. Everyone says that this is common, but I'm having a hard time finding more examples.

    The .pdf that I found online states that this is common, but to me, it doesn't seem so common.
     
  20. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    more images of the whole 1902 IHC with error.

    Here's the whole Cent shots...I can do more if anyone wants them..
     

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  21. Pennybids

    Pennybids New Member

    Here's more.. Since I've taken these shots and posted them, I've noticed that the dendrils (?) from 1 o'clock to about 5 o'clock are mashed to a shelf around the bottom edge of the dendrils. You can see the mashing from the reverse whole shot. it could me more in focus and I'm going to try again. Maybe someone could tell me about the mshing of the dendrils also. Is this something from the minting process? There mashed to a flat shelf with a rounded edge from 1 o;clock to 5 o'clock..
     
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