... or possibly closer images of the coin or area of reference. i dont see anything indicating what your questioning.
think it's just over pollished around the head bettween cap and hairin front of face look's like a little dip
My amateur eye can't tell anything amiss from the photos... maybe that particular problem is only spotted "coin in hand".
If I'm seeing the pictures right, it looks like die sinking to me. Die sinking is the same as what you are calling a collapsed die. Incidentally, it is also very common on large cents. An overpolished die wouldn't likely have the "extra" relief in the fields apparent in your photo, but a sunk/collapesd die would. All IMHO, and coming from someone who does not collect Morgans, so take it FWIW...Mike
Thanks Leadfoot you cault it. It's kind of hard to photo this.You said your not into morgans so i guess you don't know if this is common in morgans. This is the first one i've seen so thanks again
Okay - I have been searching to get a clear definition of die sinking(swollen dies, weak strike, etc.) I have see large cents were part of the coin detail is missing and the wear looks consistent across the coin. So to me die sinking can cause the details to not be as bold or as strong as the rest of the coin - is this correct? Now how do you tell weak strike from die sinking? Or does it matter. I have also seen were large cents have like one cent on the reverse obliterate and the cause was a swollen die. Could some one clarify all of this for me. I am going to post my new large cents. Sorry if it looks like I hi-jacked the thread, but in this case I do not see the "die sinking" and I really want to better understand this.
It's ok post away i dont mind i allways want to lean anything i can about coins not just morgans but all coins(buy the way on this coin if you look at the first pic ,draw a line from the tip of the noise to were the hair is straght across from the P in PLURIBUS it looks like a valley, same way in front of mouth, area between chin and neck, and on the back of her head were the cap meets the hair)
I see the thin line of a valley. Does this mean the areas around the valley sunk(creating the valley) or does it mean the valley is the sunk part of the die. To me it would be the former and not the latter. Or am I just thinking of it wrong? Thanks
lets see from the line into the face is valley and from the line to the rim it looks rolled if that makes sense. Lets see say you were strong enouth and held the coin around the rim ,then stuck your thumb's on her face and pushed thumbs inward and slightly pushed finger's at the same time i belive you would achievethis efect:smile
LOL - it does make sense. But I am trying to picture how that relates to the die and which part is sunk? So far all I can picture is me trying to push on it with my thumbs. Come here lady liberty let me pinch your cheeks.
I have seen this on other coins besides Morgans! I am not totally sure as to what the cause may be but theorize that the Die became distorted due to all the use and annealing. It is also possible that a Master Hub or Working Hub was distorted and this distortion got transferred down to a Working Die. Frank
