1898 o clash city(just commons though)

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    this was the thing that makes me confused ,under loop looks like part between D&O Under mint mark it's been pilled away it's not a bag mark [​IMG]
     
  6. huntsman53

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    Possibly a clash of the Wheat tassels extending from Miss Liberty's Crown!


    Frank
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Your third picture looks like a small lamination peel.
     
  8. huntsman53

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    Frank,

    I think that the coin is still in a 2x2 and what you see is debris!


    Frank
     
  9. bigjohn

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    Debris thats a good one:eek:dd: [​IMG]
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Even in a slab it could be debris. I have seen everthing from hairs to bread crumbs inside slabs.
     
  11. bigjohn

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    That's what i'm thinking there's a little pieace above mint mark and a hair line die crack that runs thru the ribbon and some of the wreath just noticed that. I'll try some better pics tomorrow
     
  12. huntsman53

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    Yep! I really could not tell if it was a 2x2 or a slab but I have lots of debris and other stuff, some of which would turn some folks' stomachs.

    I believe that the "D & O Mint Mark" that bigjohn mentioned, is in fact a clash from a Wheat Tassel on Miss Liberty's Crown running through the West side of the "O" Mint Mark. If bigjohn could provide a better, in focus closeup of the Mint Mark, then a more definitive assessment could be made.


    Frank
     
  13. bigjohn

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    thanks huntsman53 i'll try for better pics tomorow thanks again.Thoult you were kiding when you said that about the stalks but what do i know. all yea saw a nice grain of rice slabbed by ngc once
     
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The new pic helps - that is a toning flake, that's all.
     
  16. huntsman53

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    I can now see a little of what you are talking about but I am unsure as to what it is! Possibly a clash or maybe an "O over O" Mint Mark. Since there were no Morgan Silver Dollars minted in Denver in 1898, then it cannot be an "O over D" Mint Mark. You might send it to Leroy Van Allen and see what he says. Who knows, it might be a new VAM Variety!


    Frank
     
  17. bigjohn

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    toning flake? ok i know my pics suck so here i'll try and tell you about it. The area between the D AND O in dollar is goughed in to the coin but you can tell it's not post mint damage it looks like two layers have been pealed away same with area above the O mint mark. it's not a raised mark but it goes into the coin
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Exactly, the mark is incuse or goes into the coin. But it doesn't really go into the coin, it just goes into the toning on the coin. That's why it is bright silver underneathe.

    Ya see, when toning forms on coin and it is left alone for a long period of time the toning itself develops depth - thickness. So if a piece of the toning flakes off, it leaves a mark exactly like what you have on your coin. It is quite common.
     
  19. bigjohn

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    ok so those two spots were toned and fell off and the rest of the coin is not toned and thats the effect i get on the coin? But if the rest of coin is not toned and those spots were would it still give it the same effect? That is what i love about these fourms i learn somthing new every day thanks GDJMSP (I never knew about this tone flaking)
     
  20. huntsman53

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    Man was I ever off base on what you were asking about! I thought all along that you were referring to the Mint Mark. Although, I was giving my assessment of the wrong thing, there still appears to be something extending from the inside left to about the center of the "O" Mint Mark.


    Frank
     
  21. bigjohn

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    Looks like a little dot if that makes sence
     
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