1897-O Morgan

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by General_Luster, Jun 29, 2011.

  1. General_Luster

    General_Luster New Member

    Is it possible to tell from these photos whether this coin has been cleaned? The first picture is from my scanner, the second from my camera.

    Although it's not visible in these photos, the coin *does* have cartwheel luster. When I look at the coin through a magnifier, There are some tiny scratches not visible to the naked eye.
     

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  3. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    If it has cartwheel luster, that only comes from an unmolested surface. I don't see that in the picture, but, taking your word for it, I'll give the coin a "market acceptable."
     
  4. General_Luster

    General_Luster New Member

    @eddiespin - I thought the same thing until I recently took a collection to a dealer for an appraisal. There are many coins in that set with excellent cartwheel luster, yet the dealer said that almost all of the coins had been cleaned. I took a different set of coins to a different dealer with a similar result.

    Now, I don't know what to think. I had been planning on sending this coin in for grading, but the scratches are going to result ina "Details" grade, it's not worth it.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks to have been dipped once too many times. I'm not sure what you consider luster in-hand, maybe it's the lighting, but I just don't see any at all. It should look something like the one I've posted which is under incandescent lighting.

    Chris
     

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  6. redwin117

    redwin117 Junior Member

    I think the photograph below from your camera yhe coin look has been cleaned.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280699161288&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
     
  7. General_Luster

    General_Luster New Member

    I think you're right. It's been cleaned. I do get a cartwheel effect, but only at certain angles.
     
  8. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Neither photo is high enough quality to be able to make a decent assessment of this coin. The second photo...the surfaces look off to me...almost as if the coin has been polished. But again, it's really hard to tell.

    The 1897-O is also one of the O years where the strike was on the weaker side. So, to really get a good idea of the amount of wear this coin has...one would need to see it in hand.
     
  9. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Yes, they are cleaned
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    General I just re-read what I said and it was misleading! You're certainly right. I was thinking along the lines of solutions or dips perhaps accompanied by a light rub here and there but nothing that would really leave any visible marks. I was thinking of cleaning of that sort impairing the cartwheel luster. Scratches imparted by cleaning won't necessarily impair that cartwheel luster.

    I stand corrected, red-faced, that sort of thing... :eek:
     
  11. jimburns

    jimburns New Member

    I notice a better luster in the "protected" areas just around the raised surfaces. Something reduced the luster in the exposed surfaces. Not that bad though.
     
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