1897 Indian Cent AT/NT

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AT/NT color

  1. Yes that is original skin and color

    85.7%
  2. No that color is off and or altered

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  3. Who took these pictures, your dog?

    42.9%
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  1. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I have an 1897 Indian cent in a SEGS 64 RED holder. I have had this coin for more 20 years but have never been able to decide if the color is original or altered. Never do theses but will give a poll a shot.
     
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  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks original to me but slightly toned.
     
  6. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    From the pictures provided (taken by the dog), I would say it’s original skin.

    Nice coin!
     
  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Original skin and possibly still Red enough to classify as Red.
     
  8. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    The Paul Harvey , "Rest of the Story". No one chose altered or color is off. As I said, I have gone back and forth on this.
    I bought this coin in 2006/2007 from David Lawrence Coins. It was part of a 3 coin set they offered but I can't remember if it was a straight sale or an auction. The 3 coins were:
    1897 PCGS MS 64 RB
    1897 ANAC (sm. holder) PF 63 BN
    1897 SEGS MS 64 RED
    I recorded the price of this coin as $48 dollars. (Based on the CDN for the purchase price minus the CDN for the other 2 coins). People always say there is no Santa in coin collecting. It is hard to believe a coin dealer would let a true 64 red go for so little. On the other hand the majority of my surprise profits have come from buying coins in holders the dealers hold in distain.
    Color. It is not something you can easily see in a picture. In fact, it is much like the luster of Morgan dollars. You can tilt a Morgan and catch that cartwheel luster, but only by moving the coin. You can tilt this coin and you will occasionally catch what looks like a "pink" tinge. I have been told by some Indian Cent collectors that a pink tinge indicates altered surfaces. I have also been told that due to minor impurities in the copper Indian cents can have, yellow, light tan, pink, dark red or other hints and that is how the coin came straight from the mint. Which is another reason I keep changing my mind.
    Finally, I put together a group of 1880 to 1909 MS 64 PCGS RB coins. A group of 6 RED MS 64/65 coins. And a group of 6 Proof Indian cents. At any time I could put this coin with a group of 10 or 12 other Indian Cents and in 10 seconds pick it out because of it's lighter color.
    Those coins are long gone and this is the only coin that remains. I will add that if I ever have this coin regraded I will try and remember to post the results in case anyone cares. James
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Just remember that copper is extremely reactive to the environment. Even air change change its color. You bought the coin 18 or 19 years ago. If there is the smallest of air leaks in that slab that is long enough to change the color. If anything, it’s just a form of toning.
     
  10. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I would have to say (at least based on my faulty memory), this coin has been stable as long as i have owned it. I will say this. I had about 7 or 8 coins that developed a few black carbon spots while I owned them. All of these coins were stored in the same (home) enviroment and all of them were PCGS coins. It is one of those situations ,though, where like the frog not knowing he is slowly being brought to boil; it is hard to know if things have changed slowly. James
     
  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I would say that the black carbon spots were on the coin before it went into the slab. They just didn’t show until time had passed.
     
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