1889 CC Morgan Grade

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by sdtyandle, Apr 18, 2008.

  1. sdtyandle

    sdtyandle New Member

    Hello,

    Please let me know your thoughts on the grade and worth of this coin.

    Thank you,

    Scott
     

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  3. Becky

    Becky Darkslider

    Unfortunately, I think it's a copy. The CC's do not look right to me, but I need closer pics to be sure.
     
  4. ctrl

    ctrl Member

    I wouldn't give out details here of why.
     
  5. Becky

    Becky Darkslider


    You wouldn't share with the others here the diagnostics for determining whether or not this coin is a fake?

    I think you have it wrong. I think that is exactly what we do to help each other from making mistakes when we make an expensive coin purchase.
     
  6. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Becky,

    I think that the look of the Mint Mark is due to pixel distortion! I copied and pasted the top and bottom pictures of the Reverse to my PC then blew them up. In both pictures, the Mint Mark looked different!

    It is really hard to tell much with the pictures but I don't see anything that would trigger me to say that it is not genuine! I guess due to it's rarity, it is easy to assume the worse but I think we should hold off on any judgement until we get some better close-up pictures of the coin.

    My recommendation for the OP, is to submit the coin to a TPG or at the least, take it to a TPG's table at a Coin Show.


    Frank
     
  7. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    thats the first time Ive ever seen a CC
     
  8. Becky

    Becky Darkslider

    1889 CC's do not have round C's. When I see those I run. Here is what they should look like....


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    See the difference?
     
  9. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    The coin is definitely counterfeit. :(
     
  10. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    Care to elaborate as to why you are definitely sure. Your input would mean a great deal to me.

    Though the pictures aren't really good enough for an accurate grade IMO I was about to give it at least a VF possible XF.

    Thanks,

    Allen
     
  11. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Sure thing Allen. First of all, notice the shape of the 9. It is distinctively different than any 9 seen on any morgan dollar. Also, the CC's are close, small and quite round unlike the typical cc mintmark.

    The coin also appears to have what I can only describe as a granular appearance, which is typically seen on chinese counterfeits (can't say for sure though that it is from China)
     
  12. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    Great, thanks for input. With so many fakes in the market it sure would be a huge let down to end up with one at the end of the day. No cheap shot intended sdtyandle.

    Allen
     
  13. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Got it - thanks for the info.
     
  14. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    Looks like a poor attempt at a VAM-2A.
    That 9 is messsssed up.
    :(
     
  15. srkjkd

    srkjkd Book before coin

    i completely agree w/ zane and becky and rotobeast. even tho the pics are small, it is still identifiable as fake. larger pics would confirm more diagnostics irregularities and at absolute best it is altered w/ environmental. chemical, and/or mechanical means.
    i also agree w/ both becky,zane, and rotobeast's willingness to comment on the coin in question.
    even if we and all other internet coin forums are testing grounds for"SPYS"...i want to see what they are working on before it hits the market. i also tend to take someone at face value searching for help. true colors come out as time progresses. thank you for posting your pics. to be certain send it to a reputable tpg for authentication.....steve
     
  16. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    I agree with you zaneman!! 100% Chinese!!!!
     
  17. sdtyandle

    sdtyandle New Member

    1889 CC Morgan

    Thank you all for helping me learn the hard way, I took a risk on this coin and thought it was fake, but was not absolutely sure. Good thing is I am not absolutely stupid and will be getting my money back. As my dad always said; "If it's too good to be true"...
     
  18. dready

    dready Coin Hoarder

    I agree. I enlarged the CC mintmark and it is not authentic in appearence. I also agree with Rotobeast, the "9" does not look like any I've seen on a Morgan. a Little late ,just showing the difference John
     

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  19. urbanchemist

    urbanchemist US/WORLD CURRENCY JUNKIE

    i would agree with everyone else. ii just doesnt look right. good thing you will be able to get you money back. now you know for the future what to look out for.
     
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