1886-P Morgan in PCGS OGH... what do you think, also is this a recognized VAM?

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  1. WeirdFishes

    WeirdFishes Active Member

    Stopped by one of my LCS, and happened to find a couple interesting items which I picked up at a fair price. The 1886-P is in an early PCGS slab and, on a related note, is there a kind and knowledgeable fellow CT member who can explain how to determine the year in which the coin was graded/slabbed by PCGS by means of the serial #: 143060
    While I don't know for certain (please correct me if iincorrect), I believe the first number represents the year the coin was sent in and graded by PCGS is represented by the first number, so for 1430605, the 1 would mean it was graded/slabbed by PCGS in their first year of operation (though I am not sure what year that is). The other 6 numbers are, the coin's actual serial number. I believe PCGS uses six digit coin serial numbersso therefore any numbers prior or before the last 6 digits would effectively be referring to the year operation in which PCGS graded the coin.
    Anyway, I picked up this particular 86-P because it has really great surfaces AND is riddled with die cracks, both on oberse and reverse. Does anyone happen to know if this is a recognized VAM variety, and given its grade what is a fair price?
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    If you want some opinions on the coin--BETTER PICTURES. Take them straight on, and right side up--I can barely see anything!
     
  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Nice die crack through the bonnet.......:)
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Conder would probably be able to help you with the approximate year of issue.

    As for the VAM, there are only about 6 that would be recognized by PCGS, but I don't know if this is one of them. Since you have the coin in hand, it would be easier for you to compare it against the VAMWorld list.

    http://www.vamworld.com/1886-P+VAMs

    Keep in mind that even if it is on the PCGS list, it might not be worth the added expense to have them attribute it and put it in a new holder.

    Chris
     
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Nice coin I like the crack from what I can tell from the pics would grade a point or so higher today but I like the old green label holders and many pay a premium for coins in them today so I'd never re submit it
     
  7. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    You are misinformed with respect to the certification number. These numbers are used in blocks and the blocks are not consecutive such that a lower number block may be used after a higher number block. You have to go by the generation of the holder, which in this instance was used from approximately January, 1990 through approximately December, 1994 to have an idea of when a coin was graded.
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    looks like a rattler to me
     
  9. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    This style holder is two generations removed from the rattler holder.
     
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  10. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Nope.

    Here is a site that specialized in "sample" slabs but has some very good info about PCGS slab generations: http://www.sampleslabs.com/pcgs.html
     
  11. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    The label isn't right for the rattler either. The label is faded green and perforated on the edges. The labels looked like they were typed by a typewriter or some old dot matrix printer too.

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  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening


    Agreed. It looks like the early 90s holder to me.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    TomB nailed it this slab was used 1990 - 94 maybe part of 95. The serial number will not tell you anything about when it was slabbed. PCGS could reference the serial number in their computer system and know exactly when it was submitted, but they don't give out that information.
     
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