OK, so I finally got a new cherrypickers and I went through the updates to check my coins. I have a really nice 1883NC that has the EXACT same die break as the RPD listed on p266 FS-05-1883-1302 that goes across the date. But I am having trouble seeing the RPD, of course I am using a 6x loupe, so I might not be able to see it well, it is UNC, so the question is, if I have the die break does that automatically mean I have the RPD? Or could there be different states? I am kind of wondering why they wouldn't put the break as a pickup if it was on all of them. Well, back to my other sets to see the new varieties!
Think of it this way. It would not be likely that the crack developed before the date was repunched. First the die was made and the date was repunched. Then the die was put into use. After use the die developed a crack. Nickel dies from this era cracked very, very often. It is possible that two different dies cracked in the same location with one being the RPD and one not. I suggest you look at that die crack very carefully to determine if it is EXACTLY like the one pictured in CPG. Also, look for other die markers that may identify the die rather than depending on only one marker (the die crack).
Thanks, it is definitely the EXACT same one, it is very big and very long, it goes across the entire date and about a third of the coin, the entry and exit points on the date are the same, and so are the points in the crack. So obviously it has to be the same die right? BUt would it be a coin that came out before the RPD? But then why repunch it? The date is strong and is the same style, if they did the RPD later wouldn't they do something about the die crack? Hard to believe they would let such a big crack go uncorrected? Just trying to noodle it out. Here is a link with a pic of it, keep in mind it doesn't show the whole crack, it goes from rim to rim through the entire date. http://cgi.ebay.com.my/1-1883-1883-...9688167QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11953QQcmdZViewItem
Yes, I agree with Hobo on the break. This is a tough RPD to see with a 6x loupe. Your best chance is the south triple punch of the "1". An UNC should show something there, even with a 6X, with a strong direct light, not a diffuse one. LED type lights don't seem to work well either. Best wishes it is! Jim
Yea, I will try to get better magnification on it soon. Im going to try to pick up some scopes at the next show. So I guess the consensus would be that if the break is the same then it would be the RPD right? Makes sense, that's what I thought. Thanks!
No, I think you read it a little wrong. You could have a coin with the same appearing die break and not be from the same repunched die. The design of the coin usually determines where die breaks are most common, and 2 obverse dies could develop a die break in the same area. The date area is a very common one. So your coin could have the break , but not the RPD. Likewise someone could have the RPD, but no break yet. Jim
SUre, I get that, but the break is very long and very unique and takes certain turns and has certain points and they match up point for point, it goes from rim to rim, it is definitely the EXACT same break. There wouldn't be two breaks that go from rim to rim through the date that would be identicle would there be? I mean you could overlay them and there would be no difference, every little dip and point and turn and starting and stopping point are the same as well as the length and where it hits the digits. I can see where someone would have a RPD without the crack, but assuming it is the same crack it would have to have the RPD right? Just trying to put it together in my head. I will post again after I get more magnification.
That is correct. If it is the EXACT same crack then it would have to be the RPD. The date was repunched BEFORE the die was ever put into service.
Thanks! That is what I was thinking, I couldn't think of a reason why they would repunch without fixing the break since it was so prevalent! I will try to confirm on the flag of the 1 when I get some better light and magnification on it. Wonder if it is worth sending in and putting another one in my type set.
