1883 CC Morgan Dollar - Grade and opinions

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ryanbrooks, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Hey everyone! :D

    I got this a while back, and never shared its beauty with you guys :) Although it does have some scratches here and there, I think it has some really nice details.

    Thanks!

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  3. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Hey everyone! :D

    I got this a while back, and never shared its beauty with all of you. :) Although it does have some scratches here and there, I think it has some really nice details.

    Thanks!

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  4. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    Are those lines all going in the same direction down the cheek on the coin, or the plastic of the 2x2?
     
  5. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Unfortunately, it's on the coin itself.
     
  6. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I believe the striations on the obv. are "drawing marks," left when the planchet strip was pulled through the opening in the drawing bench to even its thickness. I don't know if they influence the technical grade or not.. I'm sure an expert can tell us.
     
  7. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Ryan , that's a beautiful '83-CC Morgan , except for the diagnol marks that's one clean coin , kinda puts my '83 GSA CC dollar to shame , nice .
    rzage
     
  8. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    Thats too bad. It is amazing, other than that. Still a very nice coin though.
     
  9. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Wouldn't the draw marks extend into the higher portions of the device too (e.g., Liberty's hair). Seems to me the draw marks would go across the entire planchet. The draw marks will disappear where the dies press into the planchet the most to create the fields but should remain (at least partially) on the higher devices.

    I think the lines are scratches caused by an album slide. If we had the coin in hand to look at we should be able to tell if the metal in the lines is fresh (a scratch exposes the metal below the surface) or if it is undisturbed (as would be the case if it is a draw mark).
     
  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I think on the deeper fields the metal is disturbed enough to destroy the lines.

    I don't know how to grade this though. I can't decide if those frost marks are just marks of wear, although I'm leaning towards wear.

    Ruben
     
  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    posted twice?


    not anymore
     
  12. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    That's the point I was trying to make. Sorry if I was not clear.
     
  13. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    That is friction. It is not wear. Friction can come from coin-to-coin contact (e.g., in a roll).
     
  14. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I agree with hobo. I would grade this coin 63/64.

    That is a very nice coin Ryan.
     
  15. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    When I look at the coin, I see the marks extending into the hair as well. If they were album slide marks, I would expect them to go from left to right across the coin, since coins were usually oriented vertically in an album. I would expect that the draw marks would be discontinuous, since they would occur on the high points of a metal strip as it went through the opening in the machine, and would not necessarily extend across the entire planchet. I tried doing a search on the Heritage archives using 'drawing' in the descriptions of the Morgan listings, but only came up with 4, and the marks were pretty faint so not much use to us here. Interesting coin and discussion!
     
  16. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    I would grade it no more than a Ms62 with those makrs the reverse is nice but it don't matter has a decent strke . yes a MS62

    Jazzcoins Joe
     

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