1860 Indian Cent is it a proof?

I recently purchased this coin off of ebay from a lady who doesn't know a lick about coins, it is a beauty. The thing is that the cent is so thick. It is twice as thick as a normal indian cent. Here are some pictures and yes that is a carbon spot on the obverse. can someone tell me their opinion on grade. I already have my own but want some others. Thanks Tom

 

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You can see how thick this coin is from the pictures, is it a proof? or is that the way the coin is supposed to be? Tom

 

well, imho.. since i'm no master at this, i'd probably say XF-40 because of the wear and tarnish on the headdress and wreath on the back. corrections please. but other than that, yes it is a massive coin.. at least double the others.. possibly a misstrike or a thickpour from a machine.

 

I have my doubts about it being real....no IHC is that big....that might be how that lady "didn't know anything" about coins....you might try to write FLY-IN Club...

I think it would go AU--I would like to see shots of the coin right on if you can...that would show the wear better

Speedy

 

Well we know that "white Cents" are quite a bit thicker than other Indians and the color is correct.If it's real,I want it.Give it to me now!..LOL
edit....here is my pitiful 1860 next to a modern cent.I think you can see that your coin is NORMAL thickness,NOT an error.I'll trade ya even.

 

That is what i thought mikjo, and no even trade. I will send some better pictures a little later tonight if I have time. I only paid 118.00 for this coin because the lady listed it in INDAIN instead of INDIAN on ebay.

 

oh mikjo0, my coin looks just like your from the thickness.

 

The thickness looks ok, as it is an older one.

 

tdec1000,
I just looked around at various sites and looked at some pictures of 1860 indians.I'm no expert on US coins but yours looks better than any I could find.Granted,there were a couple of ms-63's going for $175-$199 certified,that probably have slightly less wear,but yours has better eye appeal than any photo I could find.$118 still seems a bit high but I would certainly be tempted.
Doug,please give us your thoughts.

 

more pictures

Hey here is a frontal photo

 

I learned something new today...since I don't collect IHC so I didn't know about the thickness...

Speedy

 

I just learned that recently. I was given a bunch of indian cents by my dad, and one was really thick (1859). At first I thought it was a thick planchet, but then just learned about the older cents.

 

tdec1000,

The 1859 through 1863 and some of the 1964 Indian Cents are heavier (4.67 grams) and thicker than the remaining dated Indian Cents (3.11 grams) including some of the 1864's. However, your's appears to be thicker than a normal 1860 Indian Cent and I think you should get it weighed and measure the thickness. I am certain that it is not a Proof especially since the coin has uneven rims and is apparently a little off center. I agree with GDJMSP that it is an AU-53.

There were some thick planchet and even thin planchet Indian Cents and you can find some information on some of these at the link below.

http://uspatterns.com/uspatterns/j356p426.html


Good luck...Frank

 

GDJMSP,

Good pickup on the Die Clash! It is really hard to see from the pics but it definitely appears to be portions of the Wreath.


Frank

 

how in the WORLD did you spot that?? i have stared at the pic and cant see anything like that???

A little help on the location maybe

 

It is in front of the carbon spot.

 

I gues that just shows the experience you all have

The only picture i can see anythign in the spot you and GD mentioned is in the very first obverse picture. But to me, all i can see is what looks like dirt/grease/fingerprint residue. I cant see any organization to the effect that it might look like a die clash showing part of the reverse wreath.

i need to see more of them in person, me thinks, to be able to pick it up in internet pictures.

good observation however!

 

It runs from about the end of the nose up past the carbon spot.
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Kind of looks like this.