1858 seated half - planchet error? ideas??

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  1. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    hi all,

    I have this 1858 half dollar with some kind of defect on the reverse, in the shield of the eagle's breast. There appears to be some kind of planche defect, or struck through element. The lines of the shield are clearly on top of this 'apparent defect'. I have a picture attached and I will try to scan a better one (this was with my picture). Does anyone have any ideas?
    many thanks!
    andy
     

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  3. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    scan of defect

    here's the best scan i can come up with.....
     

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  4. PFCBEGA

    PFCBEGA Staff Numismatist HA.com

    Looks like some kind of planchet defect. is it raised?

    -Russ
     
  5. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    yea, I would say that it is slightly raised.
     
  6. PFCBEGA

    PFCBEGA Staff Numismatist HA.com

    I'd assume it's probaly a bubble in the planchet. I've heard it can happen when they make the planchet sometimes when the molten silver is used airpockets form. That's my two cents

    -Russ
     
  7. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I don't think it's raised, and I think it's a clashed die.

    The only reason I say that is because I have a coin of that exact year with that exact defect. I'll post pics in a minute.
     
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  9. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    If you look in the area of the shield on the reverse, you'll see the same defect as on your coin. Also, note the lines in the field to the southeast of the shield marks, right below the eagle's wing. Those lines are present on your coin as well.
     
  10. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    wow, this is great! I looked at 1000 coins on the web (ebay etc..) and couldn't find one like it, thanks for posting! Is this a type of die variety or something altogether different?
    thanks
     
  11. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    A die clash is when the obverse and reverse dies come together without a planchet in-between. They are both made of hardened metal, and come together with sufficient force to transfer some of their images onto the other die.

    Any coins struck after the dies "clash" together, will show some detail that wasn't meant to be there.
     
  12. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    ok, I get it -- thats cool, many thanks for your post.
     
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  15. jaroyle

    jaroyle Junior Member

    Clashed die on 1856 and 1858 seated half dollars

    I've now found several examples of this die clash on the 1856 seated half dollars -- in addition to these several instances on the 1858 (cited above). Someone must have noted this before.....??
     
  16. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    You will find lots of examples; this was a common occurrence on coins in this period. For this reason, typically die clashes do not add to, or subtract from, the coin's value. That is, unless they are quite severe, in which case they are often collectible as errors.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'd like to see an overlay because I am having problems visualizing what would have caused a clashmark in that area.
     
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