1857 Flying Eagle Cent see anything different?

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  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    This one has me guessing ...I've just aquired this sellers images. W
    However when attributing this puppy has more rabbit holes then I hve ever picked....???
    I will just post with nothing said...that way nothing has been suggested by me....

    I will say that I cannot believe the pups on both obv.& rev. And how they got me wondering what.?

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  3. David Betts

    David Betts Elle Mae Clampett cruising with Dad

    Nice wear pattern lol 1 side
     
  4. Kentucky

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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Pick up points = pups
     
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I believe that this is the 401 b variety as a lot of the pups match perfect, however theres the clashed rev. That most probably was clashed with the seated 1857 quarter.
    And then theres the date that looks to have been a rpd.
    Nevertheless I knew it was a great find and would nail it down sooner or later.
    The coin is one of the higher R values. I say in vf condition making the premium factor about 6x's the purchase price. Not even 3/17 ...and im doing the happy jig!
     
  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    So to explain the variety the obv. Is the same as the 1856 obv. Only reworked and dated 1857.
    Thus obv. Of 56 the O in of one of the pups is cut rectangular not oval. The E's as well F are joined the center's are attached to the top and bottom serifs. There's a issue of weak denticals between 12 k and 3 k.

    The dead give away was the broken wing tip...you'll notice its doubled.
    Needless to say a had to have specimen.
     
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  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Are you seeing a clash on the reverse?
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm lost on this one. The type of 56 has a broken wing tip? I'm not seeing that in Rick Snow's book. There were 5 different dies used for the type of 56 but none that show a broken wing tip.
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Are you talking about this, this is "doubled?"

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  11. Paddy54

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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yes look at the T in cent you can definitely see the clash
     
  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Transional late die of 56 made into a 57
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    https://www.indiancent.com/1857-1c-flying-eagle-cent-pcgs-raw-148012313.html



    And mine doesn't match ! This one ....look at the F 's and E 's see how they are cut? Big difference;)
    The O is 0 not rectangular in shape...
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'm not understanding your reference to "doubled." Are you saying there's strike-doubling there on the tip? I think it's a lovely coin, BTW, and I do see the chopped-off tip.
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Eddie I only wish I knew...I purchased it waiting on delivery. When in hand I can look at it in hand.
    Now the poop lol... I knew it was special several items on the coin just stand out. The date, the lettering,doubting and clashes.
    All on this coin all are pick ups on other varieties I am no expert ..yet Im no dummy as to what is and isnt correct. For the price paid I am so excited to add this to my collection as it is a mystery that will be solved.

    I have a few devices that over the years I have added to the collection tool kit. One is an rule in cm's that measures degrees of a circle . I can use it to determine the degree of the clash. Esspecially on seated coinage as the shape of lady liberty arm and body on the rock. So like an over lay I printed the image using the rule to determine if the clashes matched the same on lady liberty. Matched
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  17. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    Good eye, Paddy. As we have come to expect from you.

    I noticed the RPD, I always look for those, but I would have missed the wing tip.

    And thank you for taking the time to go though and explain everything.
     
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  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The coin is the type of 56 but that's all I agree with.
    I see the clash but it's not the clash with the 1857 quarter.
    It's not a broken wing and I don't see anything that makes me think it's an RPD.
     
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I don’t see the wing break
     
  21. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Totally unfamiliar with this coin, so until it is pointed out, I didn't see any of it. Thanks for the post and great photos. Never too old to learn.
     
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