Here is a pic of a coin I rarely post. It was just an impulse purchase a couple of years ago on an auction with NO PICTURE and Graffiti. The seller was straight up and the price was right. When she arrived I was pleasantly surprised to see just how little the graffiti actually was. Definitely an EF-40/XF-45 not taking the carving into consideration. When taking the graffiti into consideration I give it a VF-25/30 depending on my mood at the time, LOL... Take Care Ben