1838 Large Cent Attribution help

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I was about to list this cent for sale, and I tried attributing it as I always do. This one has me stuck. The obverse looks just like the N-13 that Chris McCawley has for sale (heavy orange peeling around the head), but it does not have the cud. But apparently, the N-13 is actually the N-11. So is this a VLDS N-11, or an EDS N-13?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1838-N-13-R...568866?hash=item3d0687cfa2:g:~~gAAOSw~bFWJYyD

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  3. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    It seems to be that way: CQR lists N-11 and 13 together.
    One is listed as with, the other without the rim cud at K7:

    - Without rim cud at K7, early die state: Rarity 2
    - With rim cud at K7: Rarity 4

    It does not clearly say which one is N-11 and which is N-13, but I have read elsewhere N-11 is early die state.

    Not an expert, but I thought this would help.
    Your example is the variety w/o the cud - R2.
     
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  4. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    According to Noyes N-11 is the early die stage with crisp dentils. when the dentils fade and flowlines develop in front of the face and neck it becomes N-13, and the late stage of N-13 has the obv cud. Yours has the flowlines but no cud so I would call it an early N-13. (Of course N-11 and 13 ARE the same variety, just different die states.)
     
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  5. planman2014

    planman2014 Active Member

    This is an N-11. N-13 was delisted as just an LDS for N-11. The reverse die was later used to make the rare N-15 and N-16.
     
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