1825 Quarter with "L" Counterstamp

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  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

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    These quarters are a true numismatic enigma. Many have postulated theories about the E and L counterstamps on 1815 and 1825 quarters, but each theory has conspicuously lacked documentary evidence exactly why these pieces were counterstamped. An excellent summary of the various theories can be found on pages 354 to 357 of Steve Tompkins' new quarter reference. What is known is the first coin, an 1815 'L' counterstamp, appeared in a George Massamore sale, August 31, 1881. That is one of the few facts we know, and after that the questions begin.
     
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  3. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    It's gorgeous! Great writeup like usual Matt!:eek:
     
  4. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    "L" ost Dutchman ;-)
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Extremely neat.


    I remember the theory about them being given as school prizes:

    E= English
    L= Latin

    But, no one knows for sure
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Matt:

    If submitted, do they slab as is or mark it damaged?

    I recently saw a Bust coin with a countermark and PCGS marked it 'damaged'.
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I think these days they straight grade them and note the countermark.
     
  8. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    That's a beautiful coin. and mysterious!
     
  9. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    That's a nice one, the L counterstamps are rarer of the two. I had a pretty rough E some years ago and traded it to a friend before I knew what it was. The theory of them being a school prize is largely doubted as the actual origin of the marks, but no one really knows the answer. Another theory is that they were used somehow in a vote of the harmonic society in Philadelphia. There was a hoard that some also claim was the origin, but I forget the name of the hoard. These coins all seem to have made it to the market in the 1880s. Cool coin with a story to tell for sure, but we may never know the answer. Love it.
     
  10. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I also haven't seen any documentation to support the current theories regarding the meaning of the counterstamps. Initials-only stamps are difficult enough to attribute let alone assigning a single letter stamp to anyone. The mystery in itself makes the coins appealing...and of course the beauty of the coins themselves.

    Bruce
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Matt

    I presume another coin that 'walked' into the store?
     
  12. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Actually no, I bought this one at auction.
     
  13. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Beautiful. Can you see any trace of the counterstamp on the reverse?
     
  14. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Not any easy trace of the stamp.
     
  15. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Very nice coin.
     
  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I can't believe anybody hasn't said it!


    "What the L"?
     
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