I keep looking at the date on this large cent and I am confused. The 2 appears to have a 1 underneath, but I can't find a listing of overstamped 1810 or 1820. Do you see it ? I know it's not very clear from the scan, but what do you make of it ? Dave
It's tough to tell with the pics. It's a little challenging, but you can take photos through a jewel's loupe if you have one? I know overdates were pretty common place on some of those older coppers, might just be a die clash behind the 2.
Havn't heard of an 1820/10. It's nearly impossible to see what you're explaining with the photos you've included. Try taking a couple of close-up, inhanced quality photos so we're able to further examine your coin. -Brian
I can't see an overdate in those pics, but no other features match any overdate varieties for that year as far as I can see. Guy
I see what the OP is referring to, but believe its an optical illusion. Once you see it you see it you always see it when you look at it. As much as these coins have been studied over the last 150 years, if there is not a documented 2/1 overdate, I doubt it is that. Chris
I completely disagree with the previous respondents. It appears to be N-1 which is the first of three overdates for the year and which all have 20 over 19, though the 9 under type is difficult to see on even the best grades. The obverse dentils match and the key points of the reverse match. The easiest identifier between overdates other than dentil/star orientation is the elevated 2 (base higher than base of 8) and the curl, which is left of the 2 0 gap on N-1, even base of 2 and centered over the 2 0 gap on the N-2 and even base of 2 and on the right side of the 2 0 gap on N-3.
Note: Not 'overstamped'. But, could be a repunched date, or overdate, or what ever. But not 'overstamped'.
You got better peepers than me Marshall. I looked at dentil/star orientation for half an hour and they didn't seem right. The reverse looked a closer match to N-1 though. But then, it was hard to make out anything with those pics. I trust Marshall's conclusion over my own as I'm still sort of new to large cents. Guy
If there are known overdates of a 2 over a 1 then of course I stand corrected sir. Sorry, I was responding to others stating that there were not any such overdates known. I did not pull my references myself to check. Chris
Yep Marshall is correct this is the 1820/19 small overdate. As he said there are three different overdates this year with two of them being very easy to spot. None of the three are overly scarce or costly. As mentioned the 9 is very difficult to see on this variety, but on one of the others the 1 is difficult and the 9 is very bold.
Pictures-re-posted I have tried to get close up shots, but these are the best I can do without a loup or magnifier.
Definitely see the 1 under the 2 with those images. Not sure about the 9 but it looks like something there, though it could be a mark of some kind..
If this overdate is similar to the CBH's 1820/19, then I'd say you've got a winner, because that's exactly what this resembles! Decent photos make all the difference!:thumb: -Brian
Large pictures of all three 1820/19 overdates N-1 The 1 shows strong under the center of the 2 the 9 hardly shows at all N-2 The 1 is further left and faint the 9 does not show much if at all. The lump at the lower left of the 0 is not part of the 9. N-3 The 1 is well right almost hidden under the curve of the 2, the 9 shows clearly (photos from the Dan Holmes collection)
Great Pictures! Some people may defer to my attributions, but I defer to Conder. You are a true treasure.
Indeed, thanks for sharing those photos and I am liking these large cent varieties more and more.. Now that I have my Cent book, I hope to become more intune with some of these cool differences...
Hey Conder101, Those are great pictures. From the looks of the photo's I would say the N-1 is exacaly what I have. Thank you so much for your varification. Dave
