Hello, I knew this website from Wikipedia. Can you guys help me to identify these 2 coins? I would like to know the their price in current coin market and what do you think their conditions (f,vf or xf?). My sincere apprecation for your help! :bow: :bow: :bow: 1. DEL GRATIA 1817 FERDIN II / HISPAN.ET.IND.REX.M.8R.1.1 It's a Spain or Peru coin I think. 2. Is this a coin, not a coin or a faked coin?
Greetings and Welcome to the list. Your top coin is an 8 Reale from Mexico City. It's in very nice condition and I would expect a reasonable price you could expect to be in the $80 range. BTW, the bust on the coin is King Ferdinand. Your 2nd coin appears to be silver and an "Indian Temple Token"... Just kidding. It looks like it's almost cup shaped and that would indicate a possible Byzantine Cup Coin, then again it also looks Greek or Celtic in origin. I'm no expert by any stretch so please wait for others to chime in. Again Welcome Bone
R U sure Bone (?) If the first one is as brassy looking in the flesh as it looks in the scan, then it is undoubtedly a fake. It's supposed to be silver after all. I've tried enhancing the image and it still screams out `brass fake' to me. I haven't a clue what the second is, but I don't think it is a coin. I'm not 100% sure on that though... just around 95 - 99 %. Ian
Hmm, you may have something there. My answer was based upon the fact it was a genuine (Silver Reale). The 2nd one is ailver as well and probably greek or celtic in origin, course that's just my take on it and I'm NO expert... B
The first coin is definitely a fake. Even assuming the color were to be the result of some strange toning, absolutely none of the details match those of a genuine example.
well, for the first one, it could be a fake. for the second one, it looks south american or middle eastern-ish design wise.
Thanks for the comments from you guys. I'm gonna throw the first coin right away instead of passing it to my grandson. It has been in my safe for decades. WTF am I keeping!!!
Before you throw it away, I would investigate the sort of counterfeit it is. There may be a story behind it that makes it interesting enough to keep, and may even carry a value. I don't know much about counterfeits, but some people know an awful lot about them and collect examples.
to CoinTalk antimu. FYI - The obverse inscription translates as "Ferdinand VIII by the Grace of God" and in addition to the denomination and initials of mint officials, the reverse reads "Spain and India King". The "M" with a small "o" over it is the mintmark of the Mexico City Mint.
First of all my apologies for not welcoming you - Welcome !! I wouldn't throw it away - by all means, give it to your grandson. But give it to him with an explanation that it is a fake. By doing so you pass on something that will be of much greater value to the boy - knowledge. I can readily understand the desire to pass our love for the hobby on to our descendants, along with the coins we have acquired over the years. But all too often we neglect to also pass on the knowledge that goes with it. For with the knoweldge can come a greater understanding of the coins and hopefully instill a lifelong desire to increase that knowledge in order to avoid making the same mistakes that our forebears made. If I might suggest - if possible, have your grandson sit down with you at the computer and show him this thread. Below are pictures of a genuine coin of the same type - from a different mint & year, but the very same design. Point out to him the differences bewteen the coin you have and the one pictured here. Look closely at the details of the design on both. The similarities are there - but with close inspection the differences are glaring. Perhaps doing something like this can be yet another way for you and your grandson to share time together. And at the same time, prepare him for the world to come.
Well said, GDJMSP. :thumb: :thumb: Although I'm quite disappointed with the result, the knowledge from you guys really impressed and inspired me. I wanna send my highest appreciation and profound thanks to all you guys who contribute to this wonderful forum.
Hi pd. You and your keen eye are very to CoinTalk. Here's a lightened view of the undated uniface copper or billion silver 1/8 Tical, circa 1847. According to Krause the diameter ranges from 11-15mm, and the weight is 1.5-1.8g. It appears to be the 32.2 variety, which doesn't have the small circle at the left which is found on the 32.1 variety.. That strange looking bird is the "Hamza", which also appears on Burmese coins of the period. In the 3rd Ed. 19th Century Kruase the 1/8 Tical/1 Fuang coin is valued at $4.00 VG, $7 F, $12.50 VF or $27.50 XF.
