1812 bust half type and grade help

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by willymac, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. willymac

    willymac Member

    Any thoughts here would be great! the lettering on the side is cut off on some letters (you can only see half of "HALF") and there are lines like the die broke streaming from all the letters on the back like they are stretched...
     

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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Again no one can tell anything with those images .
     
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  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Where exactly do you see "HALF" on that coin?
     
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    As he mentioned in the OP, it is on the edge lettering.

    It is not unusual for the lettering to be slightly crooked.
     
  6. willymac

    willymac Member

    here are some more pics of the 2 - lots of details around there
     

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  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    This is from a worn die. The die hasn't broken, but it is late in its life. It is normal.

    The coin looks to have been cleaned, and has EF details. Whether it would get into a problem free slab or not (that is, the severity of the cleaning) is very hard to tell from these pictures.
     
  8. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    It was a hint...
     
  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    If you do a search on CT you will find Bonedigger did a thread on edge lettering on CBH and their values.
    He has a link to all the known styles of lettering .

    Again when uploading images press full images
     
  10. willymac

    willymac Member

    here is another try of the front Scan 8.jpeg
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    There you go. Nice coin.
     
  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    xf40 details, cleaned?
     
  13. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Lots of people have been calling the obverse the "FRONT" lately - wonder why?
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Nontechnical plain speak.
     
  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Hint at what? If it was a hint, it was way too subtle for me.

    Two options:

    1. They don't know better.
    2. They don't care.
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Are these threads not permanently available in the searchable history? If it's worth mentioning, it's also worth showing.
     
  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Dude is struggling enough showing decent pics of the obverse and reverse. I can't expect him to take pics of the edge as well. That is truly challenging, and requires special equipment to do it right. Otherwise, you'll wind up taking 8 pics to show the whole edge.

    And, my point in my earlier post was that it really isn't worth mentioning. There is a tremendous amount of variation in the edge lettering. I've seen more mucked up edge lettering on these bust halves than I've seen correct. The idea was good, but the technology wasn't there yet.
     
  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    A cleaned xf struck from very worn dies. The star points extending to the rim is a good sign of this. The lettering unevenness is from a weak strike at the edge. I'd suggest putting it in a Manila envelope for a couple years and hope it colors up because aside from the surfaces is a nice coin
     
  19. AcesKings

    AcesKings Well-Known Member

    Looks like it's an O-104a.
     
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