1806 Half Cent with die crack, rotated reverse

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  1. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    This appears to be the small 6, stemless variety.

    Is there something similar to the VAM community for early American coppers? This one seems to have a die crack through the 6 and the reverse is rotated 45 degrees CCW. 20200110_150441.jpg
     

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  3. GH#75

    GH#75 Trying to get 8 hours of sleep in 4. . .

    I think I can see the die crack, unless it's a hair or something. But nice coin!
     
  4. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    It's definitely not a hair, but a "whisker" of metal.
     
  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    On coins this old I don't think a 45° rotation is that significant.
    LOTS of coins had more than that.
     
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  6. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    This variety (Cohen-1) doesn't have a noted die state with a die crack near the "6".

    The "crack" looks like a piece of fuzz to me and the coin may have an old cleaning...but it's hard to tell from pics.
     
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  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’m questioning whether it’s a counterfeit. I don’t like the little bumps I’m seeing on it @Jack D. Young
     
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  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Coin is an 1806 C-1 as previously noted and doesn't match the counterfeits we have been researching. Definitely not a die break but appears to be a scratch to my eyes.

    Half cents are attributed by variety by Cohen (hence the "C-1" designation) and die state my Manley. Early American Coppers (EAC) is the go-to group for these.

    Is it possible to add an edge view of this one to this post?

    Best, Jack EAC 5050
     
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  9. Joe Campbell

    Joe Campbell Well-Known Member

    Unless I'm crazy, that's a fiber sitting on the 6 and not a crack or scratch. It's white and casting a shadow. Looks synthetic....
     
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  10. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Looked darker in the 2nd image but I may be crazy as well! Hate trying to make calls on less than adequate images...

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  11. Joe Campbell

    Joe Campbell Well-Known Member

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    Here's the one that seals the deal...

    And is that super-crazy pupil normal??
     
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  12. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Yes.

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  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Thanks Jack. Those little raised bumps were what concerned me and the less than stellar pics. I wasn’t sure about this coin from the images
     
  14. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    It’s a little bit of lint. Definitely not a die crack.
     
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  15. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Dangit. It *was* lint. Buy 3 die cracked coins in a short period and you start seeing die cracks everywhere.

    Took a serious Big Bad Wolfing to blow it off though. After 2 huffs and puffs, I was feeling confident that it was a die crack until I tested it with a blunt toothpick. 20200111_155212.jpg
     

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  16. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    I'd like to confirm my estimated grade. Despite the one side having a minor rim ding and slight porosity throughout, do you think this would qualify for a numeric grade or get slammed with "details"?

    I'm leaning toward EF-40 or EF-45. But I've seen what I would consider grade inflation on some of these early coppers that runs much higher.
     
  17. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Heck, I might be being a lot harsher on this than I realized. A quick scan search on closed HA auctions pulled up *this* one graded MS62 BN:
     

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  18. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Any thoughts on the grade?
     
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