Hello, I am having a tough time getting a definitive answer on this coin. I have heard everything from post mint damage to lamination on the planchet to some kind of strike thru. Can anyone offer any insight? It was sold to me as toning marks from a rubber band however loupe observation makes it look like metal is affected. Thanks in advance.
The bottom mark kind of looks like a lamination, but I'm not sure about the top mark. Almost looks as if it took a hit. Could tell alot more with different angles of the coin...
With that piece your not going to get a real definite answer with pictures... no matter how good they are. This is a coin that has to be seen in hand. The mark on the cheek looks like a struck in fragment...possibly added to make the weight right... but it could be an optical illusion and without being able to hold the coin at an angle and look at that mark with a loupe there is no way to tell for sure. The mark coming across the forehead to me more closely resembles a rubber band mark but it is entirely possibile that the mark on the cheek is as well as it does appear to be the same color. That's a shame because the rest of the coin (while cleaned a long time ago) looks pretty good and there is definitely a lot of eye appeal there. Have you considered having NCS look at it and seeing if they can't remove the marks? Just a thought.
sure looks like a lamination, and weird toning. But, wow, my first thought was AU, XF sure looks conservative. Great piece.
Great looking coin, send it to NCS/ NGC and see what they say about it. Even if they have no way to remove the toning marks it would look better in an NGC capsul rather than that.
Thanks for the advice so far. I think that based on what Ive heard colletively at a couple places I am leaning towards lamiation which from what I understand might as well be post mint damage as far as effect on value. Rubber bands would have been my preferred result but I am pretty sure the areas sink into the metal. A strike through would be nice as it could add value but seeing as how 3 seperate areas are affected it jsut doesnt seem likely.
I am going with the lostdutchman on this coin - the top one sure does look like a rubber band toned type mark. Nice coin by the way.
1) Its not a lamination error of any kind. A lamination error will be peeling away from the surface of the coin or a layer would be missing. 2) Other than that, the pictures don't make it clear as to whether or not the coin is discolored or if that is indeed a fragment of metal that was struck into the coin. I lean toward Lost Dutchman's thoughts and I agree that the coin would need to be seen in hand. Have Fun, Bill
Well I have cracked her out but doing so has not helped any further in identyfing for sure what im looking at.
nothing definite, but that mark on her cheek sure does look like a struck in fragment, but it could also be corrosion right on the surface from, well I don't know. I'd say it has to go to NCS for a proper analysis, conservation (aka cleaning).
The consensus seems to be strike thru but I guess im just gonna have to send it in to know for sure. thanks for your input.
You have the coin in-hand and I don't, but it still looks like the residue from a rubber band or something similar and this look is consistent with how I have viewed this coin on the other threads you have started about it.
Tom did you click the banner that makes the picture bigger? In full size you can see that the metal is cut into pretty good. I dont think a rubber band can do that?
An interesting thing also is that the other problem area abovet he main one where her eye is looking out to, that dark spot right in her line of sight is actually mirrored like a proof coin would be. I dont know if that offers any clues.
I did click the image to make it larger and that is one reason why I think these marks were made by something resting on the surface since I think you have toning and corrosion on the coin.
those look like scratches or the coin had someone dropped something on it and left it there. the top looks like a bit of lamination on the right but the bottom looks like damage.
I don't know if it was a rubber band that laid across the coin, but the marks on it are consistent with marks I have seen on other coins that have been pressed against such things as a broken rubber band. I would guess that some of the sulfur based compounds present in a rubber band, if that is what caused the lines, could have affected the integrity of the metal over the years. Of course I cannot prove this, but based upon the images and my own experience it seems possible.
What has made me reject the rubber band theory up until now is the way the main mark ends in a triangular point on the right side. No rubberbands would end like that. The only way to form that shape would be with a crossover but then both sides would not touch the coin at the point and would differ in pressure as it goes along. What has made me reject that this was a carving attempt is the way the impression finishes of on the left side. There is no scratching or diminishing pressure depth like you would expect with a carving. What has made me reject a strike thru are the way the opening spreads out very corrosion like as the valleys of the cut raise up and out at the edges. Most strike thrus ive seen are very clean geometriclly. This is a stumper and I just need to send it in i know...
