1800. Attribution Input Wanted.

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  1. planman2014

    planman2014 Active Member

    Very hard for me to tell hairstyle but I believe 2nd hairstyle. That put in the first "0" in the date makes me question if a possible 1800/79.

    Maybe attribution of the reverse would be easier and that could help me narrow it down?
     

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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

  4. planman2014

    planman2014 Active Member

    @Condor101 is one to give his input. There are many different die marriages for 1800 and many of the overdates are hard to see especially on such a worn specimen.
     
  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

  6. planman2014

    planman2014 Active Member

    A few top tier attributers on here.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    1800's are typically very tough. Fortunately you have one of the easy ones. S-197 the Q variety, moderately late die stage with the chips forming the "Q" in the first 0 strong and the raised lump below BE and above the hair clearly defined.

    Here is a high grade of the same variety so you can see the chips and lump clearly.

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  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    In your case, the lump under BE is strong, even if the chips in the date are questionable. I've looked at a lot of 1800s and sometimes push the limits between seeing and imagining diagnostics. Your fortunate this one is clear as Conder said.

    A significant number of 1800 coins described as overdates are actually this variety, which is not an overdate.

    ps Conder clued me in on diagnostics to distinguish between the S-194 and S-195 which helped me to decide to keep a couple of S-195s some other copper people with good reputations called S-194s. With better photos, I now can confirm the diagnostic die breaks for the S-195s. But the right stem wreath intersection difference he described helped me make the right choice. I now have 4.
     
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  9. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Update - I now have a fifth.
     
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