1798 Dollar Newp

Here's my new coin.
What's it grade?

 

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Oh cripes, another "Dougs guess the grade"? I'll hazard XF-50. Nasty scratch on liberty but we all know the TPG;er are very forgiving with these issues....

 

With the piece rotated like you have it in the images, it makes it difficult for me to get the layout of the variety. Assuming it is not counterfeit, it looks like the B12 variety. If so, and if authentic, the coin is relatively high grade and I would guess EF40/45. However, I do not know what the surfaces look like since I am interpreting the images as scans.

 

It is a scan...I'll try to get a better one soon.
As for the liberty there is no scratch on it and hopefully the next scan will show that.
There also is a touch of rotation on the dies but not much.

This B12 you speak of sounds like bingo to me...where do you get variety info like that?
All I see is things like Large Eagle vs Small Eagle, 9 Knobs vs ?, 5 lines vs 5 stripes, and 10 arrows.

I really don't know about that stuff and would love to learn.
Thanks.

 

I agree bb-15, but the hair looks tooled.

 

The B12 die marriage is designated using the Bolender system of attribution for early dollars while the BB-15 die marriage is designated using the Bowers/Borckardt system of attribution for early dollars. This information is available in reference books and these particular books are not used often by most collectors and can be quite expensive.

 

:thumb: Congrats Duke!!! Nice addition to your collection!!! :thumb:
I wish I could help with the grade. I am equally eager to see how folks assess it.

 

This scan is a bit better. Being a scan it's washed out a bit and I dont know why that shield is a bit red as it is not at all in hand. lol

 

I like the second scan a lot better -- looks like you got a nice addition. Interesting how strike or wear on reverse is so uneven but knowing nothing about this series, I wonder if that's normal.

 

If the previous attribution given above is correct then the wear pattern on the reverse stars is not abnormal and is actually a characteristic of the die marriage and not wear.

 

This coin is screaming "counterfeit" to me.

 

Yea I figured it was like the Bust Halves I like that have that "wear look" on the shield but it's more of a bad strike as even higher grades have that.

 

I will Go with EF 45 based on the scan

 

I just realized that if this is an authentic piece that my initial attribution was incorrect.

 

That's something I couldn't even attempt to evaluate. These are not in my focal area. That said, I would hope this isn't the case.

 

So what's the new attribution then?

 

I've spent some time going through my reference material and I could not match this piece up with anything on-hand. Either I have tired eyes and cannot focus well or the piece might be counterfeit. Someone who is less tired might be quite valuable at this time.

 

Tom, I've already given my opinion of it.

Duke, if you don't mind me asking, how much did you spend and where did you get this coin? Feel free to answer in a PM if you don't want to reveal here. If genuine, this coin would be worth around $4k.

To compare to a real authentic 1798, look at this one sold on Heritage. Notice how the whole "feel" of the coin is completely different: http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1138&Lot_No=1181

 

Wow that one is a looker for sure.
I did get a good deal and it is from a dealer that I trust. I do have a guaranty that it's real so I will be sending it off soon.

I appreciate the opinions and look forward to more people chiming in and/or having less tired eye's looking at it

 

I looked at the Heritage specimen. Again, I reiterate that this is out of my focal area.

That said, I'm not sure I like the reverse dentils on Duke's specimen. Enough that I would have paused before I were to commit.